which ims bearing upgrade

[ppbon]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

I thought the same thing as I listened to it... Except everyone in the shop watching it with me was laughing so hard that I couldn't think straight.

I'm glad I was able to amuse you and your group.
Just returning the favor!
Just trying to make people happy,
Pedro

[Smallblock454]

Originally Posted by boxster

So, given that I am not planning on removing the engine from the car, LN's bearings without additional oil feeds is the best solution for my 99 spec car?
Also, as i stated before,I dont use the car much, and since statistically those are the type of cars that suffer the most,will LN's bearings have the same problems with cars that dont get used much? They say they life their bearings at 75000 miles or 6 years, since I don't use the car much, if after 6 years the bearings will have 20000 miles on them, will they still have to be changed?

Hi,

first of all you'll need to make shure that the installation is 100% correct. If you don't have the tools, knowledge or know how i would say change your motor oil yearly with a high qualitiy oil, change and examine the filter and leave the bearing alone.

Additionally - if you have a double row bearing engine. The bearings of these engines don't fail that much as single row bearings. And there are a lot of others causes why theses engines can fail. So don't go crazy on thinking abount the bearing - that's my personal opinion.

Well, 6 years or 75k miles means 6 years or 75k miles. Perhaps Jake can answer this question. Also Jake should give you a recommendation which of his systems match best for your car.

Regards
Markus

[Jake Raby]

Also Jake should give you a recommendation which of his systems match best for your car.

The only one thats Patented. The only one that removes at least 11 wear parts from the system. The IMS Solution.

Its funny how people seem to have forgotten the days of being told the IMS Bearing was impossible to replace. Its funny how those that have come along later have ridden our coat tails, and used the tools that I invented, and the procedure that I developed to install their copy cat systems.

I remember making the first post about removing an IMS Bearing, and at that time I was told that I was lying, that the bearing was impossible to extract, or replace. Today, the tide has turned, and what was once black art has become a market that want to get their part of. Too bad they'll always be one step, and several years behind.

[911monty]

Maybe it's time to think about something that was discussed in the What type oil filter do you use thread. Oil filter filtration is not 100% they have a allowable particulate size that passes through them. Some of these particles are ferrous, this is why the Filtermag was developed. No ROLLER type bearing likes to have debris contamination. So continuous oil spray or splash lubrication has it's downside. I am not affiliated with or in any way compensated by LN or Jake, but the only bearing that has the clearance to allow this debris is the plain type bearing in the LN Solution system. Choose your own medicine.

[Gelbster]

Monty :"No ROLLER type bearing likes .."
Do you mean deep-groove-ball bearing or roller. There is a huuuuge difference in IMSB terms. Don't get us started on that again!
Filtration - suggest you research the difference between the OEM filter and the LN full flow+Napa Gold spin-on filter. By-pass is a more significant risk than filter pore size according to the experts.
LN has you covered:
Oil Change Bundle for MY 1997 - 2008
http://lnengineering.com/oil-change-bundle-configurable.html

[911monty]

Originally Posted by Gelbster

Monty :"No ROLLER type bearing likes .."
Do you mean deep-groove-ball bearing or roller. There is a huuuuge difference in IMSB terms. Don't get us started on that again!
Filtration - suggest you research the difference between the OEM filter and the LN full flow+Napa Gold spin-on filter. By-pass is a more significant risk than filter pore size according to the experts.

I am referring to both roller and ball. By filtration I am referring to the the filter efficiency, not bypass, ( I have LN, NAPA Gold and Filtermag to eliminate bypass) this is not the same thing. The Filtration efficiency of most filters is only to ~10 micron first pass. This means there is always some particles that simply pass through the filter.These are continuously circulating to some degree. These particles are fine in a plain bearing where there is no contact and the bearing rides on a film of oil that is greater than this particle size. That is not true with a roller or ball bearing where the balls have contact with the races, and therefore do not like debris.

[Jake Raby]

I am not affiliated with or in any way compensated by LN or Jake, but the only bearing that has the clearance to allow this debris is the plain type bearing in the LN Solution system.

And that's Patented, too.

Filtered oil, and "just filtered oil" are two dramatically different things.

Oh, and to the camp that says the IMS Solution can't live without it's oil feed line? I have some medicine for you, too.

[911monty]

Oh, and to the camp that says the IMS Solution can't live without it's oil feed line? I have some medicine for you, too.[/QUOTE]

Ok Now this is something that has to be elaborated on. My understanding that as soon as the oil film is lost such as oil starvation, contact occurs and bearing is destroyed. You have some other magic? Who says we can't all learn something?

[Gelbster]

Just because the oil feed is stopped,it does not mean that oil in the bearing instantly disappears. A residual film will be retained for a while.(define 'while'?).Surface tension.
The bearing is coated ? PC3 or similar?
Pedro's Technofix DOF has an uncoated bearing.

[911monty]

Originally Posted by Gelbster

Just because the oil feed is stopped,it does not mean that oil in the bearing instantly disappears. A residual film will be retained for a while.(define 'while'?).Surface tension.
The bearing is coated ? PC3 or similar?
Pedro's Technofix DOF has an uncoated bearing.

Gelbster This is fun! There is some magic elixirs out there such as teflon etc. that claim they can prevent contact, I'm not sold. Oil film strength and pressure in the bearing is what prevents contact. Now wether it is loss of film strength due to excessive heat or oil starvation due to long high G turns, damage is usually instantaneous as far as human reaction time is concerned.

[boxster]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

The only one thats Patented. The only one that removes at least 11 wear parts from the system. The IMS Solution.

Its funny how people seem to have forgotten the days of being told the IMS Bearing was impossible to replace. Its funny how those that have come along later have ridden our coat tails, and used the tools that I invented, and the procedure that I developed to install their copy cat systems.

I remember making the first post about removing an IMS Bearing, and at that time I was told that I was lying, that the bearing was impossible to extract, or replace. Today, the tide has turned, and what was once black art has become a market that want to get their part of. Too bad they'll always be one step, and several years behind.

Yes but the ims solution is going to take a while to be available for the dualrow from what I understand,right?
Can you tell me what the ceramic bearings act like on "garage queens", are they as sensitive as the conventional type when the car isn't used much, or are they more resistant? And how about the question I asked about the life of the bearings,if after 6 years they have 20000 miles, will they still have to be changed?

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by 911monty

Oh, and to the camp that says the IMS Solution can't live without it's oil feed line? I have some medicine for you, too.

Ok Now this is something that has to be elaborated on. My understanding that as soon as the oil film is lost such as oil starvation, contact occurs and bearing is destroyed. You have some other magic? Who says we can't all learn something? [/QUOTE]

Thats what the other guys want you to think.. Its the ONLY ammo they have against the IMS Solution.

Too bad they are wrong, and an engine can run for 20 miles and see 7,000 RPM over and over again with ZERO oil feed and not fail.

I t can go further than that, but thats what was on the engine when I did the video, then I pulled it apart for evaluation. I have photos of the unit pre, and post the evaluation to show what it did with zero oil feed, and didn't even have a line attached.

I have video documentation of this. You will see it soon, with a story.

Yes but the ims solution is going to take a while to be available for the dualrow from what I understand,right?

No, its available at my facility right now. Distributors have orders in place for more than 500 units already.

Can you tell me what the ceramic bearings act like on "garage queens", are they as sensitive as the conventional type when the car isn't used much, or are they more resistant? And how about the question I asked about the life of the bearings,if after 6 years they have 20000 miles, will they still have to be changed?

The IMS Solution is a permanent retrofit, it does NOT have and mileage or time lifespan.

Just because the oil feed is stopped,it does not mean that oil in the bearing instantly disappears. A residual film will be retained for a while.(define 'while'?).Surface tension.
The bearing is coated ? PC3 or similar?
Pedro's Technofix DOF has an uncoated bearing.

The IMS Solution uses a DLC coated journal, coupled to the material that the bushing is made from, it takes extensive wear to create an issue with this.

This wasn't something that was developed over night in someone's garage. I had more than a decade of my life invested in the invention, and development before I was able to secure the Patent for the IMS Solution.

[911monty]

Thanks Jake looking forward to the video! This is what makes this forum so great, the willingness to share info and knowledge so we all benefit. Thanks all!

[Smallblock454]

So if someone asks what DLC means: Design of DLC coatings for high speed hybrid ball bearings

Regards
Markus

[boxster]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Ok Now this is something that has to be elaborated on. My understanding that as soon as the oil film is lost such as oil starvation, contact occurs and bearing is destroyed. You have some other magic? Who says we can't all learn something?

Thats what the other guys want you to think.. Its the ONLY ammo they have against the IMS Solution.

Too bad they are wrong, and an engine can run for 20 miles and see 7,000 RPM over and over again with ZERO oil feed and not fail.

I t can go further than that, but thats what was on the engine when I did the video, then I pulled it apart for evaluation. I have photos of the unit pre, and post the evaluation to show what it did with zero oil feed, and didn't even have a line attached.

I have video documentation of this. You will see it soon, with a story.


No, its available at my facility right now. Distributors have orders in place for more than 500 units already.


The IMS Solution is a permanent retrofit, it does NOT have and mileage or time lifespan.


The IMS Solution uses a DLC coated journal, coupled to the material that the bushing is made from, it takes extensive wear to create an issue with this.

This wasn't something that was developed over night in someone's garage. I had more than a decade of my life invested in the invention, and development before I was able to secure the Patent for the IMS Solution.[/QUOTE]

When I asked about lifespan I meant for the ceramic bearing retrofit kit. Will the bearings still be more prone to failing if the car's not used much? And will it still need changing after 6 years, irrelevant of miles?

Can I ask how much the ims solution will cost for the dual row?

[Jake Raby]

Can I ask how much the ims solution will cost for the dual row?

I have no idea what a retail price will be. Thats not my department, I do know what my installed price is, which is the same as the single row version.

Retail price points may differ. You'll have to wait and see, or stand in line at my door :-)

[boxster]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

I have no idea what a retail price will be. Thats not my department, I do know what my installed price is, which is the same as the single row version.

Retail price points may differ. You'll have to wait and see, or stand in line at my door :-)

So I cant buy it directly from you?
If not, when will it be available at supliers,and will it be at suppliers in Europe?

[ppbon]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Wow! What a compliment! Pedro used my findings (and didn't give me credit)! The most sincere form of flattery is imitation, or in this case, taking credit where credit is not due. I'm no where near as long winded as Pedro, but take a (short) peek at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzHwWUgU37k . If someone steals from me, I tend not to trust them..., or do business with them, it's a character thing.

… and we can clearly see that you lack it, Jamesp.
You claim to have "discovered" how the IMS fails and you show as proof a video you published on YouTube 10/01/13. www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzHwWUgU37k. (As of today, watched by 1,650 people).
Why don't you check the one I published on YouTube as well on 09/04/13?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzUq2DFpeKw. (As of today, watched by 36,639 people).
Mine was online ONE MONTH BEFORE YOURS!
I had never seen your video until this morning, yet you say I stole from you.
I think you have it all backwards, Jamesp.
Happy whatever,
Pedro

[Gelbster]

Honoring those who invent or provide ideas/inspiration is important because we Forum members benefit. One amateur pioneer in the IMSB saga was "Feelyx". Don't hear much from him now but here is a thread where he begins to develop his theory of grease wash-out. It is interesting because his ideas were developed very publicly on this Forum. Best of all he was very polite and generous in sharing his amateur test data.
http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/33893-ims-failure-not-myth.html
And yes, it did evenyually become an IMSB product.
So yes, credit where credit is due and Forums like this are certainly instrumental in problem-solving products.

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by boxster

So I cant buy it directly from you?
If not, when will it be available at supliers,and will it be at suppliers in Europe?

Nope, we sell nothing here. I don't even have a way to sell an item, if you go to my site and click parts, you hit a dead end. We are developers, builders, and installers, not parts sales people.

The components do go through a distribution network, and will be available worldwide sometime mid 2016.

One amateur pioneer in the IMSB saga was "Feelyx". Don't hear much from him now but here is a thread where he begins to develop his theory of grease wash-out. It is interesting because his ideas were developed very publicly on this Forum. Best of all he was very polite and generous in sharing his amateur test data.
http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/33893-ims-failure-not-myth.html
And yes, it did evenyually become an IMSB product.
So yes, credit where credit is due and Forums like this are certainly instrumental in problem-solving products.

Its funny how all that happened, isn't it... More than ironic, if you ask me.