Gun discussion. So piper6069 can let the other thread be.

[SC-986]

Dude, why are you so emotionally invested in the left/right paradigm. I did not use any oft repeated emotionally charged phrases, ie. “Assault Weapon” that have been trumpeted (sorry for the trigger word) (oops did it again) and programmed into the minds of a certain segment of society by politicians and the mass media. I am trying to inject some critical thinking and common sense into the argument.

Apparently you believe “everyone is out to get you” since you’ve taken the steps to obtain a concealed weapons permit. An AR-15 is not unlike a tool that is best used in the proper situation - for example I wouldn’t use a hacksaw to take down a tree, I would use a chainsaw. I am not going to walk down Main Street with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder but I will use it in the proper environment and scenario.

My original point was and still is a weapon can be anything to inflict harm on another being. Intent determines whether or not it is an “assault” weapon. Just because a group of politicians labels a thing, does not make it so.

DISCLAIMER - I am not on team red or team blue - in my opinion most if not all of our political leaders are as corrupt as the day is long.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Apparently you believe “everyone is out to get you” since you’ve taken the steps to obtain a concealed weapons permit. An AR-15 is not unlike a tool that is best used in the proper situation - for example I wouldn’t use a hacksaw to take down a tree, I would use a chainsaw. I am not going to walk down Main Street with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder but I will use it in the proper environment and scenario.

Yes, I believe there are some bad people out there, and a handgun is a very capable tool to defend myself and my home. Although I have an unloaded shotgun under my bed, in case someone comes in, I believe all they need to hear the sound the gun makes when I "load the chamber" and they'll scurry out of the house like cockroaches. But I really don't expect anyone coming in. It's just an insurance thing.

I also wouldn't use a hack saw to cut down a tree, but I wouldn't use a grenade, either. I think an AR is like a grenade when it comes to self-defense, and a handgun is more like a chainsaw in your analogy. We have difference in opinions on this and we can leave it at that. You'll never convince me otherwise and I'll never convince you. I do, however, believe we both have the right to express our opinions.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

We have difference in opinions on this and we can leave it at that. You'll never convince me otherwise and I'll never convince you. I do, however, believe we both have the right to express our opinions.

Wait..... where's piper6909, and what have you done with his body?

;-)

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Wait..... where's piper6909, and what have you done with his body?

;-)

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HAHA!

Look back at all my posts, and you'll find nothing has changed. I've always been on the side of people being able to express their opinions, unless they personally attack others.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

HAHA!

Look back at all my posts, and you'll find nothing has changed. I've always been on the side of people being able to express their opinions, unless they personally attack others.

why can't I just post the emoji? Why I gotta ramble-on? ('cuz the forum requires a certain number of characters, that's why. They're FORCING me to be long-winded)

[SC-986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

We have difference in opinions on this and we can leave it at that. You'll never convince me otherwise and I'll never convince you. I do, however, believe we both have the right to express our opinions.

On this we can agree - in fact if we were able to have a discussion over a cup of coffee I believe we would probably have more in common than not.

Here is a quote from Montagu Norman, Governor of The Bank of England, addressing the United States Bankers’ Association in 1924. Think of the idea conveyed in this quote with relation to where we are as a society in America today.

“These truths are well known among our principal men, who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action, we can secure ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

On this we can agree - in fact if we were able to have a discussion over a cup of coffee I believe we would probably have more in common than not.

Without a doubt. And if you're ever in the Pittsburgh area, coffee is on me!

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Dude, why are you so emotionally invested in the left/right paradigm. I did not use any oft repeated emotionally charged phrases, ie. “Assault Weapon” that have been trumpeted (sorry for the trigger word) (oops did it again) and programmed into the minds of a certain segment of society by politicians and the mass media. I am trying to inject some critical thinking and common sense into the argument.

HA! Talking about emotionally invested, I've seen countless bumper stickers of guns, AR's, gun stick families, etc.

I've never seen stickers of chainsaws, to bring back your analogy. Who's emotionally invested?

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

HA! Talking about emotionally invested, I've seen countless bumper stickers of guns, AR's, gun stick families, etc.

I've never seen stickers of chainsaws, to bring back your analogy. Who's emotionally invested?

OK. Game on.

I'm going to mount on my truck's rear window a family sporting chainsaws. Yup. I'll find them. eBay. Amazon. Etsy. Thanks for the great idea!

Now... if I were in China they'd be a family sporting knives... or machetes cause, you know... gun control. However, I believe a machete doesn't make the same sound as a shotgun shell being chambered.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

OK. Game on.

I'm going to mount on my truck's rear window a family sporting chainsaws. Yup. I'll find them. eBay. Amazon. Etsy. Thanks for the great idea!

Now... if I were in China they'd be a family sporting knives... or machetes cause, you know... gun control. However, I believe a machete doesn't make the same sound as a shotgun shell being chambered.

Please post pics when you do!!

And I'm glad you brought up China, because like China likes to suppress information, the NRA is constantly in the courts and lobbying congress to suppress gun statistics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/health/gun-violence-research-cdc.html

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-nra-suppressed-gun-violence-research

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03882-w