I got nailed - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

Brucelee · 07-21-2006, 12:44 PM

I am still laughing about the need for reasonable speed limts in CA. The freeway SL is 70, folks drive up to and including 100. All,day, everyday, traffic permitting.

I guess I don't know what reasonable is. Maybe 90 or so in some folk's books.

Having said that, I continue to muse over the whining about this issue.

Do you guys have an issue with limits or what? If its 70 its 70. If its 90 its 90.

If you speed, you get a ticket. How hard is this to figure out?

What is unclear about this?

If that offends you, well, you will need to take it up with the judge, the governor or whoever.

Don't blame the cops, they have enough on their hands right now.

BTW- if the cops convict you using DNA (new technology) or they catch Abdul about to blow up a bridge using infared scanners, do you have issue with this too?

Just checking!

Brucelee · 07-21-2006, 12:47 PM

"I just sometimes don't feel the same level of "enthusiasm" as I do on other boards."

If you are looking for a board that loves to talk about street racing exploits, you do have the wrong board.

Personally, I can't think of too many dumber ways to spend one'd time than street racing.

Of course, ripping it at the track is a whole other matter.

eslai · 07-21-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

If you speed, you get a ticket. How hard is this to figure out?

What is unclear about this?

If that offends you, well, you will need to take it up with the judge, the governor or whoever.

Don't blame the cops, they have enough on their hands right now.

BTW- if the cops convict you using DNA (new technology) or they catch Abdul about to blow up a bridge using infared scanners, do you have issue with this too?

Just checking!

I think JackG made my points clearer than I ever could, thanks man! But one thing I'd like to point out is that I am not blaming the cops at all... in this case.

Oh and again, neither of the questions you asked regarding DNA or infrared scanners are AUTOMATED AND UNMANNED so either you're not reading me very well, or you're ignoring what I'm trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

If you are looking for a board that loves to talk about street racing exploits, you do have the wrong board.

Personally, I can't think of too many dumber ways to spend one'd time than street racing.

Of course, ripping it at the track is a whole other matter.

Man, everything's black or white with you isn't it? No where did I say anything about street racing. There are other ways to be an enthusiast than being a retard, you realize.

In fact, in none of the Boxster forums that I frequent do I ever see anyone talking about street racing. That's a totally different demographic I think.

denverpete · 07-21-2006, 01:51 PM

Who knew this would be such a passionate thread?

What's so very fascinating to me is the hard line attitude by some here of "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" (for speeding). This, irregardless of the fact that most speed limits are completely arbitrary. Roads that used to be 75 mph moved to 55 mph and then up to 85 mph. It wasn't a crime, then it was, oops - now it's not - again.

So the radar trap Rail26 got nailed in slowed down traffic for that area. Whoopdy-doo! Did it make that stretch safer? Was it unsafe to begin with? Is the speed limit for that area even appropriate? Who cares? As long as they're raking in the money..... Radar traps remind me of the "fines doubled" through road construction - despite there being no road construction. Or getting nailed in a school zone during summer. Just a great way to make some revenue without regard for whether it really makes the world a safer place. I agree that the government may deny that it's all about revenue - but well - it's all about the revenue.

As such, by no stretch of the imagination do I consider myself a criminal if I get a ticket nor do I believe that speeding is in and of itself immoral. Driving at speeds unsafe for the conditions is criminal....

Grizzly · 07-21-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by denverpete

So the radar trap Rail26 got nailed in slowed down traffic for that area. Whoopdy-doo! Did it make that stretch safer?
Probably, because Rail and everyone else who got a ticket will slow down through there in the future.

Was it unsafe to begin with?
Probably. That's why out of all the possible locations, it was chosen for a speed device.

Is the speed limit for that area even appropriate?
Probably, as calculated by the traffic engineers who determined the speed limit in the first place, based on the relevent data.

Who cares?
The mother of the kid on the tricycle.

As such, by no stretch of the imagination do I consider myself a criminal if I get a ticket nor do I believe that speeding is in and of itself immoral. Driving at speeds unsafe for the conditions is criminal....

What you consider yourself is really of little consequence. ..and, I never said that any of you were immoral people. I believe just the opposite. I thorougly enjoy every one of you. I just think when we're caught, we're caught.

denverpete · 07-21-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly

What you consider yourself is really of little consequence.

Okaaaay. I've just deleted about 15 responses to that comment. So I'm just going to move on.

Of course you're assuming that speeding in that area is a concern. In my experience, that generally has nothing to do with it. I watch the cops set up a speed trap outside of my office window around once a week. And, I have to tell you, they ain't going all that fast out there. But, the location does have a good feature which is that you can't see the cops but they can see you.

You really think that traffic engineers set the speeds for most roads? They're typically mandated by area. Hell, the cops don't even obey most of the speed limits. Which has got to tell you that the arbitrary limit for that area is too low.

"The mother of the kid on the tricycle"? Nice. If that kid's on a tricycle on the highway then it ain't me who should be getting a ticket. And, I already stated that I do believe it's criminal to drive at unsafe speeds for the conditions - that most certainly includes down residential streets...

Brucelee · 07-21-2006, 03:12 PM

"As such, by no stretch of the imagination do I consider myself a criminal if I get a ticket nor do I believe that speeding is in and of itself immoral"

Well, we will leave the morality out of it, as some here have left the logic out of it.

However, depending on the locality, the law considers you a criminal and in the end, they get to decide, don't they!

Brucelee · 07-21-2006, 03:15 PM

"And, I already stated that I do believe it's criminal to drive at unsafe speeds for the conditions - that most certainly includes down residential streets...
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And therein lies the gist of the matter. It seems that YOU would decide what is safe or unsafe. Sadly for you, that matter does not rest with you, but with the locality's governing body. Then of course, the police enforce that set of regs.

That is the way we do it these days you know!

eslai · 07-21-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

Well, we will leave the morality out of it, as some here have left the logic out of it.

Now now, play nice Bruce.

I see logic everywhere here. What I don't see is agreement, or people really trying to listen to each other.

Grizzly · 07-21-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by denverpete

Okaaaay. I've just deleted about 15 responses to that comment. So I'm just going to move on.

Pete,

I only meant that in the instance of being caught speeding what you considered yourself was of little consequence (That is what we were talking about). What the governing jurisdiction considers you is the only thing that matters in the instance of being caught breaking a law of that jurisdiction. I wasn't attempting to make a blanket statement.