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Originally Posted by Grizzly
I have bad news for you eslai. If you are driving at 5 miles an hour over the speed limit, you are technically a criminal because you have committed a misdemeanor crime.
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This is something that I fully understand, but I don't know how to get you guys to quit focusing on that and understand what I'm trying to say instead of pulling the book out on me over and over again. I blame myself.
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Seems to me that's what they're trying to accomplish. I think you just made our argument. The nice thing about these traffic devices is that they get everybody. A Police Officer is like a fisherman. He throws his line in the water and only catches as many as he can catch. These speed devices and red light cameras, however, catch 'em all, making them a much more powerful deterrent.
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And then there are those of us out there that think there are better ways to enforce laws than by "criminalizing" everyone that does something unsafe. The point of laws is to keep the populace safe, not penalize and tax them.
An example is the red light camera thing. They make money--thus the argument against them regarding safety is a moot point. Regardless of what point you make against them, people will use them because they bring in cash.
But it's been debated as to whether or not simply having longer yellow lights fixes the problem, and/or whether red light cameras actually cause more traffic accidents than they were suppsed to prevent.
Why not simply raise the speed limits on the interstate to reasonable speeds? I don't see speeds as being out of control on the freeway or even most city streets and I think the police already do a fine job of catching the people that drive like maniacs on either one.
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
Like Brucelee said, sort of. If these devices concentrate on speed and red lights, the Police are then free to chase the aggressive drivers and other violators who make it even more dangerous for us than it already is.
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The Police are
already free to chase aggressive drivers and other violators! Automated speed enforcement is simply a way to tax drivers in my eyes. You're driving safely, you're driving five miles over the speed limit and bam! Ticket. How does ticketing people that drive at reasonable speeds going to curtail the aggressive drivers that are racing in and out of traffic?
To me, automated enforcement solves a problem that doesn't exist. If anyone wants to start pulling out statistics on me, feel free. I know I'm arguing against a brick wall anyhow and unfortunately, I don't feel I have the time or energy to commit to making a convincing argument against you guys.
Whenever we have these threads I end up feeling like I'm on the wrong Porsche board. This is the only one I visit that I get this strange righteous tone from. It's like I got a Boxster and made a wrong turn onto a Cutlass forum or something. I mean that playfully--I'm not saying that you all are boring old snods that don't know how to live like FAST AND FURIOUS or something, I just sometimes don't feel the same level of "enthusiasm" as I do on other boards.
What do you guys do with your cars? Drive around at posted speed limits, take on-ramps at 25 MPH because of the yellow warning signs, never rev pass 3000 RPM, go on "fun runs" with the Miata boys on Sundays, try to maximize your tire life, hate shifting, like driving slow so you can smell the breeze in the trees, catch leaves in your hand as they fall over the car, don't like driving your boxsters on a daily basis because they're hard to get in and out of?
