virus prediction

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

I have heard some very smart responses here, and frankly some that are just ignorant.

If you want to catch the virus go for it, but as mentioned wearing the mask is to protect the people around you! The comment maintain 6 feet in public thats not always possible to maintain distances WEAR A MASK you dont know who is around you that have higher risk factors diabetes heart conditions ect.... these people have a right to buy food and shop without having the added worry you mask less a-holes are to selfish to wear a face covering to help protect the public spread of COVID19.

I am in Spain and we have had last timeI checked around a 11 percent. Mortality rate. The mask help contain the spread period!

Be safe and protect your fellow human being!

Virus have been on the earth 3.2 billion years humans 200,000 years. The truth is we will have to live with it like every other virus that has come along the last 200,000 years.

How does any species build up their immune system and keep it working efficiently? Answer: exposing themselves to active threats and practicing personal care controls based on their experience with their own bodies. We are born with minimal immunity to things and as kids we expose ourselves to all sorts of things, which in turn strengthens our immune system to threats. We are social creatures for more than just one reason, were supposed to essentially contaminate each other so we can collectively gain a sort of social immunity to threats. It's nature and man should not get involved in how it works.

You got a pre-existing condition? Don't be a dumb a ss. Stay home. Have meemaw go do your shopping.


You're calling me an a sshole? F uck you, too. Oh, have a nice day.

[TRP]

Jesus Christ... What did I just read? Is this really an "it's my right" discussion? We have a WORLD WIDE PANDEMIC, and people want to ******************** and moan about wearing a god damned facemask? I'm embarrassed at how the US is handling the entire situation. I'm just dumbfounded by people who want to argue about the situation. Mind boggling. Folks want to argue about their 'rights' vs overloading the hospitals and medical community?

The older I get the more I realize why the world is tired of the US and all of our selfishness.

We will get what we deserve and deal with the consequences of those whose rights were infringed upon.

Sometimes we have to band together for the betterment of the entire community. For **************** sake.

You aren't being asked to pay your neighbors bills... Or feed his family. Do you throw your trash in the street? Do you still crap and pee in the yard? No. You use modern technology, central services, and a slight change in behaviour so that we reduce the spread of disease. Is wearing a mask when you go get McDonald's is really an inconvenience? People who argue that it's against their rights to be asked to wear a mask don't value the sacrifice given by others. The selfish and indignant nature of it all.

[Starter986]

LOL. Yeah. deadliest virus.jpg

dumbass masks.jpg

[maytag]

Originally Posted by TRP

You aren't being asked to pay your neighbors bills... Or feed his family. .

Ummm, actually, yes, that is EXACTLY what I'm being asked to do. All of these "stimulus" checks; You know who's paying for that? Trillions of dollars (demanded by those who complain the loudest about the national debt) being paid by those of us who choose to keep working instead of taking the easy route.

But keep up your shaming of others.... see if it convinces anyone, or if it pushes those who are on the fence to the other side.

Talk about embarrassing behavior? Physician heal thyself.

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

... Trillions of dollars (demanded by those who complain the loudest about the national debt) being paid by those of us who choose to keep working instead of taking the easy route...

Funny how for 8 years of Obama and 8 years of Clinton (who actually lowered the rate of increase during each of their terms), those same people that complained about the national debt, said that debt is good as GW Bush and Rump more than doubled its rate of increase on tax cuts for those that needed them least.

But we digress...

[itsnotanova]

Did a moderator actually do something around here and moved this thread to the appropriate section?!?! OH MY GOD!!!

[tommy583]

I know crazy right lol

[maytag]

Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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[TRP]

Originally Posted by maytag

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

Amen to those words...

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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Where did you get your numbers of 3.2% mortality rate? The CDC site has week 30 at 12.6% and 7.8% in week 31, but expect that to go up since not all death certificates have been processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The better question is the per-capita deaths in the US vs. Europe and other Universal health care countries.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Where did you get your numbers of 3.2% mortality rate? The CDC site has week 30 at 12.6% and 7.8% in week 31, but expect that to go up since not all death certificates have been processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The better question is the per-capita deaths in the US vs. Europe and other Universal health care countries.

Lil 'ol place called John's Hopkins.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

You can make stats say anything you want, but CFR is the only number that means anything to me. Those of you using IFR numbers are just forwarding an agenda.

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Lil 'ol place called John's Hopkins.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

You can make stats say anything you want, but CFR is the only number that means anything to me. Those of you using IFR numbers are just forwarding an agenda.

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I presume CFR means Case Fatality Rate? What does IFR stand for?

I don't know if the CDC would have any agenda, though. I welcome your thoughts as to why they're stating death rates of 12.6 and 7.8

Even using your own source and the chart you linked, Chile, India, Argentina, South Africa, Russia, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan all have better CFR than we do. And the chart is of the 20 worst countries. In other words, we have the 12th highest CFR of the 20 worst countries in the world. We barely beat Columbia! Yay for us! Tired of winning yet?

Don't blame me, I'm citing your own source!

So all of those "Socialist Healthcare" countries, you derided? Most did better than us. Remember how hard Italy was hit? They're not even on the list so they also did better than us, and they also have "socialist healthcare".

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I presume CFR means Case Fatality Rate? What does IFR stand for?

I don't know if the CDC would have any agenda, though. I welcome your thoughts as to why they're stating death rates of 12.6 and 7.8

Even using your own source and the chart you linked, Chile, India, Argentina, South Africa, Russia, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan all have better CFR than we do. And the chart is of the 20 worst countries. In other words, we have the 11th highest CFR of the 20 worst countries in the world. We barely beat Columbia! Yay for us! Tired of winning yet?

Don't blame me, I'm citing your own source!

P.S. None of Europe is on that list (UK broke away from EU), so all of those "Socialist Healthcare" countries, you derided? They did better than us.

Your signature... "It can't happen here". Reminds me of a GREAT Rainbow tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARgfglpXQw

No. It's not Rick Astley. lol

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by maytag

Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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I didn't say I am an advocate of socialized medicine, but on the argument for everyone gets hospital care. Personally I think the USA needs some type of a hybrid system for health care.

Just to clarify I am a US citizen, and a 22.5 year veteran spent and still spending my life defending your freedom to choose but that freedom ends when it affects other people.

The idea of wearing mask is to protect your neighbor.

Several months back I calculated the deaths rates states between Spain and the US, us was around 5 percent.
Still does not relieve anyone the need to be responsible.

[TRP]

Thank God nobody asked you to wear any of those other masks, you'd really be put out.

Those masks protect the WEARER from damaging his lings/brain/mucus membranes.

The face mask people are being asked to wear is to keep your germs yours and my germs mine.

Ask not what your country can do for you... But what you can do for your country. Or... Something.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by TRP

Thank God nobody asked you to wear any of those other masks, you'd really be put out.

Those masks protect the WEARER from damaging his lings/brain/mucus membranes.

The face mask people are being asked to wear is to keep your germs yours and my germs mine.

Ask not what your country can do for you... But what you can do for your country. Or... Something.

:ah:

Keyword: Asked. I wouldn't wear them under a mandate. **************** 'em. If it came to that I'd just send someone else to do m shopping.

Protect the wearer? Pfffffffft. I enjoy a healthy immune system... I'm willing to take the risk. The rest can stay home or, again, send someone else out to do their shopping.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

:ah:

Keyword: Asked. I wouldn't wear them under a mandate. **************** 'em. If it came to that I'd just send someone else to do m shopping.

Protect the wearer? Pfffffffft. I enjoy a healthy immune system... I'm willing to take the risk. The rest can stay home or, again, send someone else out to do their shopping.

You are mandated, not asked, to have a license and insurance to drive your Box. That's much more imposing than wearing a damn mask in public. How come that's not keeping you off the road?

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

You are mandated, not asked, to have a license and insurance to drive your Box. That's much more imposing than wearing a damn mask in public. How come that's not keeping you off the road?

Oh. I'll wear the mask if I'm going into a store... but do leave my nose exposed now and then.

Here's another deal maybe someone can explain:

If you've a hearing problem (a medical condition) you are exempt. Now... I do have a hearing problem (diagnosed in third grade), but chalk up the true nature to too many concerts in my teens and my kick-butt sound system (home and car). Now... does not wearing a mask cause me to hear better? Uh. No. Anyone care to explain that. I will say that, as a lip reader, more often then not I'm, "Huh? What" I'm sorry, come again".

This morning went to get gas. Forgot my mask (8/10 I go inside) and the regular attendant was fine with it. Went to Tractor Supply afterwards... pull my shirt up.. notice clerk has her mask around her neck (they just opened, 9). Grabbed the dog food and, maskless and no shirt covering my face, conducted my transaction.

I'm almost borderline shamed because, when in a store, if I sneeze or sniffle I feel like I'm wearing a scarlett ****************ing letter on my forehead.

Herd immunity. Thats the road I drive.

Have a good Sunday, Fellas and Gals!

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

...Herd immunity. Thats the road I drive.

Have a good Sunday, Fellas and Gals!

Problem is that herd immunity doesn't seem to work with this virus. Based on current knowledge. In fact, even if you've had it before they say you can get it again, and harder. But we're still learning.

[TRP]

I have not shamed or attacked anyone. I did share my disgust and bewilderment over the lack of general courtesy and empathy in America today. I did vent/share that I don't understand the polarizing nature of being asked to do something to help slow the spread of this pandemic. Many Americans have lost their ability to step-outside of their own ego to witness the ugly truth of what our nation has become. All in the name of 'their rights'. Those "rights" came from the sacrifice of others who gave more than they took.

It's pretty clear that you feel passionate about your right to wear a mask. Point made. You do you.

I realized a long time ago that there is no changing the mind of a person who isn't open to differing opinions. People who yell the loudest are the least likely accept differing opinions. I shared my views to hopefully give others something to consider. I usually try to do it without calling anyone names, being condescending, or resulting to ad-homonym attacks. Maybe I painted the comments with a broad brush out of frustration from being at home for 6 months. Sorry if that offended you.

We should maybe get back to arguing about the best oil, or brake pads, or tires.