virus prediction

[nicecar]

I remember a post several weeks/months ago where itsnotanova said he wanted the virus to get it over with because everyone is going to get it regardless. Apple news posted today virus is here to stay. Smallpox is only virus to be eradicated and it took 15 yrs. I think his prediction is correct. My question is are mask mandates here to stay? Kind of like buckle up, but motorcycle helmets optional?

[flmont]

Well as long as there is fear,There's a good chance of that,Or when people get FED up with being told what to do then they may decide to make their own decision's on how to protect themselves.This being TOLD routine has to go..!

[paulofto]

Originally Posted by flmont

Well as long as there is fear,There's a good chance of that,Or when people get FED up with being told what to do then they may decide to make their own decision's on how to protect themselves.This being TOLD routine has to go..!

Some people have to be told because, quite frankly, they are too stupid to make the right decision. Common sense it seems is not so common. Freedom is the right to choose but making an obviously wrong choice, even after being told by experts that you are making a mistake, is a sign of ignorance and obstinance and infringes everyone’s freedom.

[DoninDel]

Originally Posted by paulofto

Some people have to be told because, quite frankly, they are too stupid to make the right decision. Common sense it seems is not so common. Freedom is the right to choose but making an obviously wrong choice, even after being told by experts that you are making a mistake, is a sign of ignorance and obstinance and infringes everyone’s freedom.

Agree. I think the 'freedom' argument is stupid. Civilization is giving up some individual freedom for the common good.
You do not have the 'freedom' to race thru a stop sign - well, actually you do, and you can be fined if caught, and the same should be true of not wearing a mask.
I love the goobers who argue that the odds are low that you'll die from the virus - the odds are in your favor playing Russian Roulette, too, but I don't see the point of taking the risk.
I damn near died 3 times from one-cell organisms ( amebic dysentery and blood poisoning in Vietnam, and more recently sepsis from a biopsy) and do not see the point of taking a risk.

[itsnotanova]

I personally think mask just delay the inevitable. That being said, I also don't believe it's my right to give the virus to someone else unwillingly. Mask are here to stay until the virus has worked it's way through society. My prediction is there will be a cure for covid, but it will be too little and too late. Until then, buckle up because it will be a bumpy ride for the most obese country in the world.

[pilut2]

Originally Posted by paulofto

Some people have to be told because, quite frankly, they are too stupid to make the right decision. Common sense it seems is not so common. Freedom is the right to choose but making an obviously wrong choice, even after being told by experts that you are making a mistake, is a sign of ignorance and obstinance and infringes everyone’s freedom.

+1 on this!

I am in Canada- Canadians tend to be more compliant and believe that the government is actually looking out for their safety and best interest instead of infringing on their rights. For example; most Canadians are thankful of our tough gun laws which mean that we don't actually have to carry a weapon to protect ourselves. We, for the most part, have also been very accepting of COVID restrictions and the need to wear a mask.
I realize that there are many factors regarding spread and death rate of COVID but I am proud of how well Canada has handled the pandemic. We have not politicized COVID, we have excellent healthcare available to everyone at no cost and most people are happy to wear a mask. As a result our death rate (as of August 10) is .13 per million whereas the US is tracking 1.55 deaths per million.

[tommy583]

If people are not going to wear a mask, then they probably won't get the vaccine either. They don't seem to think that the virus is a real threat, it's just a made up thing to further a political agenda. Or they will say the Bill Gates is just trying to implant a tracking chip in them. Of course unless you live in the woods somewhere you are being tracked almost constantly anyway. Let's see Cell phone, Credit/debit card use, EZpass, license plate readers, internet ip, cameras in nearly every place of business the list goes on and on. But it's my right not to wear a mask blah blah blah. Maybe there is something about the right not to wear a mask during a pandemic in the constitution, but I must of missed it.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by tommy583

Maybe there is something about the right not to wear a mask during a pandemic in the constitution, but I must of missed it.

Have you READ the constitution of the United States? If you had, then you would understand that the document enumerates those specific areas where government CAN restrict freedoms. So, the fact that facemasks are not mentioned in the constitution actually feeds the argument against the gov't being allowed to mandate them. (So I'd probably quit bringing that point up, if I wanted to encourage the naysayers to wear facemasks)

I think Starter made an important point when he said he'd like to be asked, not required (I'm paraphrasing). I think this is a common theme amongst conservatives regarding many, many issues: You (the gov't) don't have the right to compel me, so just ask us nicely. This is, for instance, how I feel about taxation for social programs, and many other governmental "programs" which may have best-interests at heart, but seek to compel where there is no precedent or constitutional basis for that power being given to gov't.

Having said that, While I bristle at the unconstitutionality of all that's being foisted upon us right now, I try not to let the leaves block the view of the forest. I still give to charity, and I still wear a facemask when and where I'm asked to do so.
I have a BIGGER problem with the seeming-incongruity behind supporting Protests and protesters (even though they are rarely masked and are NEVER social-distancing) while simultaneously shutting-down religious gatherings, schools, in-person voting and an entire host of other activities which could certainly be done with a modicum of safety that far exceeds what is being exercised during a protest / statue vandalizing session.

I don't make decisions based on the "slippery-slope" idea, but you must admit that there is merit to it. You see, while Covid is certainly real and scary, it HAS most-certainly been politicized, and is being used to influence behavior. To what end? Well, I have my own opinions about that; What are YOURS?

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by pilut2

Canadians tend to be more compliant and believe that the government is actually looking out for their safety and best interest instead of infringing on their rights. For example; most Canadians are thankful of our tough gun laws which mean that we don't actually have to carry a weapon to protect ourselves. .

Pfffffffffft. Who is feeding you that line of BS? Your leader?

"The downward trend stopped in 2013 and, since then, it has gone up 42%. Between 2013 and 2017, 16 of Canada's Census metropolitan areas saw increases in their rate of firearm-related violent crime, including 7 of the 10 largest. ... Each year since 2009, about six in ten firearm-related violent crimes involved handguns."

Enough with the b ull****************. Criminals don't care about laws. "Criminal" The word was coined for a reason.

Maybe this needs a new thread.

[pilut2]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Pfffffffffft. Who is feeding you that line of BS? Your leader?

"The downward trend stopped in 2013 and, since then, it has gone up 42%. Between 2013 and 2017, 16 of Canada's Census metropolitan areas saw increases in their rate of firearm-related violent crime, including 7 of the 10 largest. ... Each year since 2009, about six in ten firearm-related violent crimes involved handguns."

Trend maybe up- but Canada still as approximately 1/6 of firearm related deaths per capita as US. I know very few people who own guns, and those who do, have shotguns and rifles for hunting only- not for personal protection. The bad guys will always have guns, but they are still few and far enough between that the good guys don't need to carry.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by flmont

Well as long as there is fear,There's a good chance of that,Or when people get FED up with being told what to do then they may decide to make their own decision's on how to protect themselves.This being TOLD routine has to go..!

The mask is NOT to protect YOU, it's to protect PEOPLE AROUND YOU from your spittle and vapors when you speak. So it's like smoking in a public space. You can't do it, but you can smoke in the privacy of your own home as much as you want.

So you still have the right to be as stupid and self-destructing as you want. But you don't have the right to endanger others.

Now seat belts? If you had a similar beef with seat belt laws I'd understand your gripe. As long as you made sure that kids, who have no understanding of the risks, are buckled up properly.

[Gilles]

Originally Posted by piper6909

The mask is NOT to protect YOU, it's to protect PEOPLE AROUND YOU

So you still have the right to be as stupid and self-destructing as you want. But you don't have the right to endanger others.

+1 it's simply a matter of respect

[BRAN]

During the summer time, I have been in the Netherlands, Austria and Czech Republic...
and I am shocked, how face masks are being neglected there nowadays. I can say, that we are way more strict here in Germany and it seems to be in our blood that we follow orders, I guess.
The primary objective is to protect OTHERS first, and then yourself. I wonder why people don't get that...just too selfish?
No vaccination = mask enforcement
just sayin'...

[azlvr]

Originally Posted by nicecar

I remember a post several weeks/months ago where itsnotanova said he wanted the virus to get it over with because everyone is going to get it regardless. Apple news posted today virus is here to stay. Smallpox is only virus to be eradicated and it took 15 yrs. I think his prediction is correct. My question is are mask mandates here to stay? Kind of like buckle up, but motorcycle helmets optional?

It all depends on how good the vaccine is and how long it lasts.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by nicecar

I remember a post several weeks/months ago where itsnotanova said he wanted the virus to get it over with because everyone is going to get it regardless. Apple news posted today virus is here to stay. Smallpox is only virus to be eradicated and it took 15 yrs. I think his prediction is correct. My question is are mask mandates here to stay? Kind of like buckle up, but motorcycle helmets optional?

IIRC, itsnotanova wrote, "...I want to beat something that kills others..."

I think mask mandates will be gone once a good vaccine is discovered and implemented.

[itsnotanova]

Originally Posted by piper6909

IIRC, itsnotanova wrote, "...I want to beat something that kills others..."

What can I say, I have a slight death wish. The older I get the less scared I get of dying

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by itsnotanova

What can I say, I have a slight death wish. The older I get the less scared I get of dying

Don't get me wrong, I had no issue with what you wrote. I just wanted to make sure you were quoted correctly!

[itsnotanova]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Don't get me wrong, I had no issue with what you wrote. I just wanted to make sure you were quoted correctly!

LOL No problem. I didn't take it offensively and wasn't trying to be either.

[Starter986]

OP... topic better suited for off-topic forum.

On another note... wife and I took a drive to Big Bear Lake yesterday. Beautiful.

Walked the Village... went lakeside... and, GASP... no mask.

What's it going to be, fellas? A mask or the 6 feet? I choose the 6 feet (and did when we popped into Wal-Mart on the way home). If the fraidy cats are so concerned about the virus... flu... whatever... maybe just stay home. Use instacart.

Vacinnation? LOL. You're going to wait for that? I won't be the subject of any vaccination... and I won't be compelled.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the "news" hasn't covered jack-**************** about the usual and customary flu(s)? Or... is that a fall-winter story? And.. I mean "story".

Bring it on.

On another note... itsnotanova... I hear ya.

[Cunningr]

I have heard some very smart responses here, and frankly some that are just ignorant.

If you want to catch the virus go for it, but as mentioned wearing the mask is to protect the people around you! The comment maintain 6 feet in public thats not always possible to maintain distances WEAR A MASK you dont know who is around you that have higher risk factors diabetes heart conditions ect.... these people have a right to buy food and shop without having the added worry you mask less a-holes are to selfish to wear a face covering to help protect the public spread of COVID19.

I am in Spain and we have had last timeI checked around a 11 percent. Mortality rate. The mask help contain the spread period!

Be safe and protect your fellow human being!