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[maytag]

Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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[TRP]

Originally Posted by maytag

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

Amen to those words...

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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Where did you get your numbers of 3.2% mortality rate? The CDC site has week 30 at 12.6% and 7.8% in week 31, but expect that to go up since not all death certificates have been processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The better question is the per-capita deaths in the US vs. Europe and other Universal health care countries.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Where did you get your numbers of 3.2% mortality rate? The CDC site has week 30 at 12.6% and 7.8% in week 31, but expect that to go up since not all death certificates have been processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The better question is the per-capita deaths in the US vs. Europe and other Universal health care countries.

Lil 'ol place called John's Hopkins.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

You can make stats say anything you want, but CFR is the only number that means anything to me. Those of you using IFR numbers are just forwarding an agenda.

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Lil 'ol place called John's Hopkins.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

You can make stats say anything you want, but CFR is the only number that means anything to me. Those of you using IFR numbers are just forwarding an agenda.

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I presume CFR means Case Fatality Rate? What does IFR stand for?

I don't know if the CDC would have any agenda, though. I welcome your thoughts as to why they're stating death rates of 12.6 and 7.8

Even using your own source and the chart you linked, Chile, India, Argentina, South Africa, Russia, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan all have better CFR than we do. And the chart is of the 20 worst countries. In other words, we have the 12th highest CFR of the 20 worst countries in the world. We barely beat Columbia! Yay for us! Tired of winning yet?

Don't blame me, I'm citing your own source!

So all of those "Socialist Healthcare" countries, you derided? Most did better than us. Remember how hard Italy was hit? They're not even on the list so they also did better than us, and they also have "socialist healthcare".

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I presume CFR means Case Fatality Rate? What does IFR stand for?

I don't know if the CDC would have any agenda, though. I welcome your thoughts as to why they're stating death rates of 12.6 and 7.8

Even using your own source and the chart you linked, Chile, India, Argentina, South Africa, Russia, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan all have better CFR than we do. And the chart is of the 20 worst countries. In other words, we have the 11th highest CFR of the 20 worst countries in the world. We barely beat Columbia! Yay for us! Tired of winning yet?

Don't blame me, I'm citing your own source!

P.S. None of Europe is on that list (UK broke away from EU), so all of those "Socialist Healthcare" countries, you derided? They did better than us.

Your signature... "It can't happen here". Reminds me of a GREAT Rainbow tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARgfglpXQw

No. It's not Rick Astley. lol

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Your signature... "It can't happen here". Reminds me of a GREAT Rainbow tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARgfglpXQw

No. It's not Rick Astley. lol

Wow that's a deep cut! Thanks for sharing.

My signature actually refers to the 1935 novel by Sinclair Lewis.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

My signature actually refers to the 1935 novel by Sinclair Lewis.

Wiki'd that.

Now... that's heavy. I haven't read a novel in decades. Decades. That's one title that might cause me to break that record. Thanks!!

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by maytag

Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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I didn't say I am an advocate of socialized medicine, but on the argument for everyone gets hospital care. Personally I think the USA needs some type of a hybrid system for health care.

Just to clarify I am a US citizen, and a 22.5 year veteran spent and still spending my life defending your freedom to choose but that freedom ends when it affects other people.

The idea of wearing mask is to protect your neighbor.

Several months back I calculated the deaths rates states between Spain and the US, us was around 5 percent.
Still does not relieve anyone the need to be responsible.