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Old 10-19-2017, 09:49 AM   #1
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According to Koni, the default position out of the box is full soft - 3rd FAQ from here - so you are probably OK with the default setting, unless somebody played with it before it got to you.

"What is the best adjustment setting for my shocks? - For most vehicles, we suggest that new KONIs be installed in the full soft position. (the standard setting right out of the box)"
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I was just thinking - they are rebound adjustable and not compression adjustable? Wouldn't compression control the rate of spring compression and contribute to the distance of compression?
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:03 PM   #2
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I was just thinking - they are rebound adjustable and not compression adjustable? Wouldn't compression control the rate of spring compression and contribute to the distance of compression?
From what the Koni double-adjustable tuning guide has to say about the topic...
http://www.koniracing.com/autocrosstune.cfm

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"Bump [compression] damping controls the unsprung weight of the vehicle (wheels, axles, etc.). It controls the upward movement of the suspension such as hitting a bump in the track. It should not be used to control the downward movement of the vehicle when it encounters dips. Also, it should not be used to control roll or bottoming."

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"The rebound damping controls the transitional roll (lean) as when entering a turn. It does not limit the total amount of roll; it does limit how fast this total roll angle is achieved. How much the vehicle actually leans is determined by other things such as spring rate, sway bars, roll center heights, etc."
I concur with what is said, but in a pinch when handling balance adjustment is needed, there is nothing faster than adjusting an accessible (pair of) knobs to change the rebound setting at one end of the vehicle. It's faster than changing springs, faster than changing swaybars. If you have adjustable swaybars where the adjustment mechanism is petty easily accessible, that would be the exception, but many cars don't provide this, or they're still a hassle to quickly adjust even when they are present, and you can still fine-tune dynamics further (e.g., refine specific handling issues only occurring at corner entry or corner exit) using adjustable shocks.

Many people use alignment settings and tire pressure changes alone to achieve the neutral handling balance adjustment, and tire pressure are certainly about as convenient and quick to change as knob-rebound adjustable shocks are. However, assuming you start out from a setting with optimal tire grip from optimal tire pressures and optimal alignment (especially camber), any tire pressure adjustment you do to deviate from that to "fix" neutral handling will give less overall grip than making an adjustment to the relative front/rear roll couple. Adjusting the roll couple will basically harness the grip of the better-gripping end of the vehicle to help out the more poorly performing end of the vehicle. It does this by reducing the lateral weight transfer at the more poorly performing end, and redirecting that lateral weight transfer to the better performing end.

This is all because reducing lateral weight transfer at one end of a vehicle increases grip, while increasing weight transfer at an end of the vehicle reduces grip.

And that's all due to an interesting property seemingly inherent to pretty much all pneumatic tires, which is the coefficient of friction of a pneumatic tire seems to be always better at lower loads, and always worse at higher loads.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_load_sensitivity

So transferring weight to that outer tire when the vehicle is laterally accelerating, makes the coefficient of friction of the outer tire reduce. Although this weight transer increases the coefficient of friction of the inner tire get better, it's generally always an overall a net loss of grip across the pair of tires, since more weight is now pressing down on the more poorly performing outer tire, that poorer gripping performance of the outer tire becomes more significant than the inner tire. (There's a weighted average function at play here.)

The converse side of this coin is that reducing lateral weight transfer increases grip, so that's why being able to fine-tune the front/rear roll couple is essential to be able to fine-tune a neutral handling characteristic without sacrificing overall grip.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:10 AM   #3
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From what the Koni double-adjustable tuning guide has to say about the topic...
http://www.koniracing.com/autocrosstune.cfm
I think the article is saying that bump and rebound are two different settings, but in your quote it looks like they are the same?

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"Bump [rebound] damping controls the unsprung weight of the vehicle (wheels, axles, etc.). ...
Should the word rebound be replaced with compression? in the above sentence?

Or... I might just not understand it

That's one reason I went with Koni FSD - I want there to be no adjustments that I can mess up The downside is that I will probably outgrow them sooner than I would an adjustable setup... However I am still a ways off from being able to maximize the potential of the car as it is right now
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Should the word rebound be replaced with compression? in the above sentence?
Yes, you are correct Steve! "Bump" is also known as "compression damping". I'll edit my post to clarify.

I'm not sure that having non-adjustable shocks is in any way a "feature"... However, the extremely digressive rebound valving of the FSD makes them special.

You can have better quality shocks (e.g., many Konis and Bilstens) revalved, by the way, should the need to change them still hit. They need to be taken apart and usually a service like proparts of truechoice (Koni authorized rebuilders) would be the folks to talk to about this. Koni has a good racing support team.
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Reviving a dead thread!! Finally getting around to the swaybar upgrade on my 2000 Boxster. Very happy with the H&R lowering springs and Koni sport shocks coupled with the OZ wheels and TOYO 888r's. The car feels and drives very stable and planted and lap times are coming down. Ran a personal best of 2.24:35 at VIR last weekend. WHat set-up are you using and what do you recommend?
Background. This is not being prepped for racing, I have a 1986 944 racecar as well. I am simply developing the Boxster for track days without rules as far as moficications. Budget? As always I have my eye on the bottom line, looking for the best bang for the buck. As I did with the springs/shocks, PSS9 didn't make sense after speaking to many that went that way and never make any adjustment, the H&R/Koni setup suits me nicely and I save some cash over fully adjustable.
Thanks in advance for the assist!
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