I want my Boxter To handle like a Toyota GT86, Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S

[Porsche9]

I think most enthusiast are happy to see the FRS/BZR twins. There is nothing that comes close to what they have to offer in the new car market. The one sad fact is that they are not selling as well as the initial interest level would have indicated. Part of it is that the market for these type of cars is limited. Most of the older enthusiast that like that car tend to want to go for something higher up the ladder and younger generation does not have the interest in cars that young people once had. Heck few of them even know how to drive a manual transmission. If they drive the auto (I did) it leaves much to be desired in terms of forward thrust. Hope they sell more so that there are plenty of used ones to turn into cheap track day cars.

[TeamOxford]

Originally Posted by Porsche9

.......... and younger generation does not have the interest in cars that young people once had. Heck few of them even know how to drive a manual transmission.

Agreed. My understanding is that the entire auto industry is struggling to attract new, young buyers. To this demographic, owning a car may not be a necessity, or even desirable.

INHO, the BRZ/FRS is an excellent entry into the sport car field. Whether or not this platform, or this generation's interest, has any "legs", remains to be seen.

Just sayin'...........

TO

[Porsche9]

At my last PCA HPDE at Bondurant's West track one of the instructors had one with proper wheels and tires and he had absolutely no problem keeping up with the faster (in a straight line) cars including driver's in the advanced group. Yes on the one longer straight pretty much everyone except for the 944s pulled away but he was able to catch up with most of them in the twisties.

In many ways the FSR reminds me of my old 944S2. That car was front engined, rear drive and had 208hp. Sound familar? I'm sure with wheels/tires and driver being equal the FSR would quicker then the 944S2. How much did the 944S2 cost back in the day? Well into the $40s. Add inflation to that and the FSR becomes a complete bargin.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Porsche9

I think most enthusiast are happy to see the FRS/BZR twins. There is nothing that comes close to what they have to offer in the new car market. The one sad fact is that they are not selling as well as the initial interest level would have indicated. Part of it is that the market for these type of cars is limited. Most of the older enthusiast that like that car tend to want to go for something higher up the ladder and younger generation does not have the interest in cars that young people once had. Heck few of them even know how to drive a manual transmission. If they drive the auto (I did) it leaves much to be desired in terms of forward thrust. Hope they sell more so that there are plenty of used ones to turn into cheap track day cars.

problem is that young people are broke. The recession/reset has left them behind because out of work older people are taking their hourly jobs. The other issue is that millenials, and this is from experience, simply do not believe in busting their humps largely for the benefit of others. Meanwhile they expect to be paid well and they expect a certain level of quality of life. Previous generations weren't nearly so ballsy or entitled.
If owning a nice car on their own dime and not one gifted to them means taking a part time job just to pay for it, they're not interested. They'd rather rely on their two feets, a hipster bicycle or take the family car whenever its available. They no longer see a car as freedom like previous generations. Fun stuff but between the insurance and the payments ...not worth it to them.

[steved0x]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

... or take the family car whenever its available. They no longer see a car as freedom like previous generations.

Out of mine, my 19 year old finally got his license when he was 18; my other 18 has a learner's permit but no license, and my girlfriend's 17 year old son does not even have a learner's permit, and his two cousins that are both over 18 have only 1 learner's permit between them. I remember my dad driving me to the DMV to take my test on my 16th birthday and then I drove myself to school. It is a different world today...

[Porsche Chick]

This year's field includes all nine contenders from Motor Trend's 2012 Best Driver's Car competition. We have the Lamborghini Aventador, Nissan GT-R Black Edition, Ford Shelby GT500, McLaren MP4-12C, Jaguar XKR-S, Porsche 911 Carrera S, Subaru BRZ, Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series and Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 -- all gathered together on an abandoned airstrip at El Toro Marine Base to find out which car is the fastest.

World's Greatest Drag Race 2! - YouTube

Race starts at the 2:12 mark. The BRZ is the one at just past 3 minutes that is dead last and just kind of swirls around in dismay.

So, yeah, for slow 360's I can see the appeal.