I want my Boxter To handle like a Toyota GT86, Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S

[KRAM36]

So I'm going to throw some Prius tires on it and have a real sports car!

[Eric G]

Stickers are your friend. I say put "Twin Turbo" 427 on the front fender and you will have a monster!

[Jager]

And on the back put "Boss Boxster".

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by Eric G

Stickers are your friend. I say put "Twin Turbo" 427 on the front fender and you will have a monster!

You are back!!! good to hear/read from you again Eric

[edc]

More camber front less camber rear.

[kk2002s]

Careful putting down Toyota. Didn't their efficiency experts slap Porsche into the 21st century regarding auto manufacturing and fundamentally put them back onto a profitable track

I was very interested in the BRZ or FR1 or what ever they call it (Subaru, Scion, Toyota) at the time I was looking and bought my Boxster
But because you couldn't order fatter better handling tires, I moved on

Happy I did though I thing those cars are sharp and have lots of potential

I will admit that this winter in the snow, my beater 2000 eclipse, is a blast using the hand brake to slide it around the corners. With front wheel drive, Pull the brake, slide 90 degrees, hit the gas and you are a Rally champion. My Wife just hates it

[thstone]

I really enjoy beating those cars at the track. Then they come over and say, sure you're faster but you have a $50K car, and I respond that no, I have a $10K car and they could have saved $15K.

[steved0x]

Put two spare tires on the front to get that classic muscle car look. And handling

[recycledsixtie]

It's the driver not the car then. Car handles just fine for me!
G.

[edc]

Originally Posted by steved0x

Put two spare tires on the front to get that classic muscle car look. And handling

That would be understeer city.

[steved0x]

Originally Posted by edc

That would be understeer city.

True... For classic muscle car handling put the spares on the back. Burnouts galore and oversteer city

[BIGJake111]

To quote a Instagram post of a 964 owner that was just posted.. More horsepower than a brz, no turbos, cheaper, and 20 yrs older.

[KRAM36]

lol, glad you guys caught the sarcasm in my post. They put Prius tires on these cars so they can peel out and break loose, then the auto journalist rave about how great the cars are to drive. Only Jap cars can get away with this junk.

[Perfectlap]

The narrow tires are not the only reason why the FRS gets thumbs up from the magazine guys.
The FRS engine has a lower COG than the Boxster/Cayman only the F360 and LFA are lower as far as mass produced-conventional engine road cars (according to SCION).
Plus it's got a reliable, low maintenance boxer engine with RWD. You're not going to get that with any new car for that price. Not even close. And No need to spend $2-3K on "IMS" stuff like we do. Sure you can buy an old Porsche and get the RWD/Boxer but you'll be taking your chances on thousands of dollars in unexpected repairs/maintenance. As someone who has spent at least $14K on such (well before the car even hit 100K mile), I can see the appeal of the FRS for under $25K with a nice, handy warranty.
Toyota deserve credit for putting a car like that together even when there's not really an obvious budget-market demand for it.

skinny tires, fat tires, it's getting around Jarama GP circuit just fine here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g

80% of what a Boxster/Cayman can deliver at any track for only a fraction of the price? That's called common sense use of money in sport.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

80% of what a Boxster/Cayman can deliver at any track for only a fraction of the price?

Let's compare apples to apples. Maybe 80% of what a 15 year old 986 base Boxster can deliver but only 25% of a 315hp 981S. IMHO a used 986 is by far the better value.

[BIGJake111]

Even if it was 150% as capable, you'd still be buying a scion and not a Porsche, not to break out cliches but words like "brand, passion, an heritage" are worth a good 100 HP.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Even if it was 150% as capable, you'd still be buying a scion and not a Porsche, not to break out cliches but words like "brand, passion, an heritage" are worth a good 100 HP.

SCION is Toyota and they've got plenty of heritage in motorsports.
From F1 to LeMans Prototypes and even NASCAR.

I'd say nowadays they're more a racing brand than Porsche is, for the most part Porsche only races in one type of racing, and in only one class within that category at that... Porsche hasn't won overall at LeMans since the late 90's. But we'll see how Porsche stacks up to lowly Toyota when their respective Hybrid LMPs hit the WEC tracks. Toyota's already a race winner in that class (which includes Audi).

I'd say Porsche is more a luxury/status symbol brands these days. Certainly if you look at the breakdown of sales with the family car Prosches taking the lion's share of production.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

SCION is Toyota and they've got plenty of heritage in motorsports.
From F1 to LeMans Prototypes and even NASCAR.

I'd say nowadays they're more a racing brand than Porsche is, for the most part Porsche only races in one type of racing, and in only one class within that category at that... Porsche hasn't won overall at LeMans since the late 90's. But we'll see how Porsche stacks up to lowly Toyota when their respective Hybrid LMPs hit the WEC tracks. Toyota's already a race winner in that class (which includes Audi).

I'd say Porsche is more a luxury/status symbol brands these days. Certainly if you look at the breakdown of sales with the family car Prosches taking the lion's share of production.

Toyota makes too many cars, prius, yaris, camry, included, for them to be taken seriously in comparison to the company with the most race wins of any manufacturer period. Yeah they are great at engineering and yeah they are very capable at motorsports. They just lack the purity and the back catalog of porsche.

[ProjectM96]

I remember I was on my way to a car meet. A Scion FR-S with exhaust and intake decided to play around with me.

We raced. I won. We parked next to each other at the meet. It turned out that the guy loved Porsche's and he was shocked when I told him I paid $10,000 for it. It depressed him even more when he found out that my Boxster has more hp and torque and weighs less than his FR-S.

I assume he ended up looking for Boxster's online when he got home.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by thstone

Let's compare apples to apples. Maybe 80% of what a 15 year old 986 base Boxster can deliver but only 25% of a 315hp 981S. IMHO a used 986 is by far the better value.

no argument there.

But value in new Porsches makes that a pretty low bar for the Boxster or Cayman to beat. For instance look at the new C7, for that money you've got 997.2 GT3 track performance for a price that couldn't even get you into a second hand CaymanS.