I want my Boxter To handle like a Toyota GT86, Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S

[Perfectlap]

The narrow tires are not the only reason why the FRS gets thumbs up from the magazine guys.
The FRS engine has a lower COG than the Boxster/Cayman only the F360 and LFA are lower as far as mass produced-conventional engine road cars (according to SCION).
Plus it's got a reliable, low maintenance boxer engine with RWD. You're not going to get that with any new car for that price. Not even close. And No need to spend $2-3K on "IMS" stuff like we do. Sure you can buy an old Porsche and get the RWD/Boxer but you'll be taking your chances on thousands of dollars in unexpected repairs/maintenance. As someone who has spent at least $14K on such (well before the car even hit 100K mile), I can see the appeal of the FRS for under $25K with a nice, handy warranty.
Toyota deserve credit for putting a car like that together even when there's not really an obvious budget-market demand for it.

skinny tires, fat tires, it's getting around Jarama GP circuit just fine here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g

80% of what a Boxster/Cayman can deliver at any track for only a fraction of the price? That's called common sense use of money in sport.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

80% of what a Boxster/Cayman can deliver at any track for only a fraction of the price?

Let's compare apples to apples. Maybe 80% of what a 15 year old 986 base Boxster can deliver but only 25% of a 315hp 981S. IMHO a used 986 is by far the better value.

[BIGJake111]

Even if it was 150% as capable, you'd still be buying a scion and not a Porsche, not to break out cliches but words like "brand, passion, an heritage" are worth a good 100 HP.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Even if it was 150% as capable, you'd still be buying a scion and not a Porsche, not to break out cliches but words like "brand, passion, an heritage" are worth a good 100 HP.

SCION is Toyota and they've got plenty of heritage in motorsports.
From F1 to LeMans Prototypes and even NASCAR.

I'd say nowadays they're more a racing brand than Porsche is, for the most part Porsche only races in one type of racing, and in only one class within that category at that... Porsche hasn't won overall at LeMans since the late 90's. But we'll see how Porsche stacks up to lowly Toyota when their respective Hybrid LMPs hit the WEC tracks. Toyota's already a race winner in that class (which includes Audi).

I'd say Porsche is more a luxury/status symbol brands these days. Certainly if you look at the breakdown of sales with the family car Prosches taking the lion's share of production.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

SCION is Toyota and they've got plenty of heritage in motorsports.
From F1 to LeMans Prototypes and even NASCAR.

I'd say nowadays they're more a racing brand than Porsche is, for the most part Porsche only races in one type of racing, and in only one class within that category at that... Porsche hasn't won overall at LeMans since the late 90's. But we'll see how Porsche stacks up to lowly Toyota when their respective Hybrid LMPs hit the WEC tracks. Toyota's already a race winner in that class (which includes Audi).

I'd say Porsche is more a luxury/status symbol brands these days. Certainly if you look at the breakdown of sales with the family car Prosches taking the lion's share of production.

Toyota makes too many cars, prius, yaris, camry, included, for them to be taken seriously in comparison to the company with the most race wins of any manufacturer period. Yeah they are great at engineering and yeah they are very capable at motorsports. They just lack the purity and the back catalog of porsche.

[ProjectM96]

I remember I was on my way to a car meet. A Scion FR-S with exhaust and intake decided to play around with me.

We raced. I won. We parked next to each other at the meet. It turned out that the guy loved Porsche's and he was shocked when I told him I paid $10,000 for it. It depressed him even more when he found out that my Boxster has more hp and torque and weighs less than his FR-S.

I assume he ended up looking for Boxster's online when he got home.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by thstone

Let's compare apples to apples. Maybe 80% of what a 15 year old 986 base Boxster can deliver but only 25% of a 315hp 981S. IMHO a used 986 is by far the better value.

no argument there.

But value in new Porsches makes that a pretty low bar for the Boxster or Cayman to beat. For instance look at the new C7, for that money you've got 997.2 GT3 track performance for a price that couldn't even get you into a second hand CaymanS.

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

The narrow tires are not the only reason why the FRS gets thumbs up from the magazine guys.
The FRS engine has a lower COG than the Boxster/Cayman only the F360 and LFA are lower as far as mass produced-conventional engine road cars (according to SCION).
Plus it's got a reliable, low maintenance boxer engine with RWD. You're not going to get that with any new car for that price. Not even close. And No need to spend $2-3K on "IMS" stuff like we do. Sure you can buy an old Porsche and get the RWD/Boxer but you'll be taking your chances on thousands of dollars in unexpected repairs/maintenance. As someone who has spent at least $14K on such (well before the car even hit 100K mile), I can see the appeal of the FRS for under $25K with a nice, handy warranty.
Toyota deserve credit for putting a car like that together even when there's not really an obvious budget-market demand for it.

skinny tires, fat tires, it's getting around Jarama GP circuit just fine here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g

80% of what a Boxster/Cayman can deliver at any track for only a fraction of the price? That's called common sense use of money in sport.

I don't see that car going around the Jarama GP circuit just fine. This is one of the journalist I'm talking about, praising the car, when it's handling is rubbish. The car is sliding all over the place, wow that's impressive. Seriously? An underpowered car gets a set of Prius tires thrown on it so it feels like it has power.