Need Help! Royaly Screwed!!

[PlayersExpress]

Originally Posted by Fred Demara

driving isn't a right, it's a privilege, and your privilege is being taken away because the state has determined that you are a risk to yourself, and others...time to learn and grown from the message they are sending you, if not for your own health, but for those you share the road with.

So because I was targeted and harassed, which video evidence from the squad car would prove, I lose my license because Im a risk to myself and others for being harassed and making a public nuisance.

That sounds so right does it not?


Unlike some people, I may talk a game yes because Ive been an athlete all my life but also remember not to underestimate me for my intelligence. I know right from wrong and when I can let lose and when not to do something stupid.

I have a 3.85GPA with 21 credit hours (normal full-time is 12-15hrs) I scored a 34 on my ACT a few years back, I turned down a full ride to Stanford, and now I go to Loyola University.


I believe it is you sir that need a lesson in open-mindedness and one who should take a step back and not pre-judge someone before you actually know more about them. How would you feel if the exact same thing happened to you? Now how would you feel if I took the same tone and attitude with you as you are with me? I rest my case.

You're young, in denial, and taking your life, and the live of others at risk. Pulled over 20 times and someone as smart as you claim to be can't see that the problem isn't you?

I just pray that you don't hurt someone before you grow up...this next month will be a good time to do some reflecting, and think about what it means to drive more responsibly.

Originally Posted by PlayersExpress

So because I was targeted and harassed, which video evidence from the squad car would prove, I lose my license because Im a risk to myself and others for being harassed and making a public nuisance.

Originally Posted by PlayersExpress

Now how would you feel if I took the same tone and attitude with you as you are with me?

A police officer did when I was 16, and he got thru to me - at first, it felt like harassement, but then I realized, he was trying to help me.

Common sense isn't something you should get upset about. And an officer trying to explain to you that you could kill someone isn't harrasment, he's trying to save your life, even if you can't understand it now, adam.

[mptoledo]

Dude, No offense (which means I will probably offend you) but, You need to change your driving habits, residence, or just sell the car. 20 times pulled over is just stupid. Even if half were harrassment, statistics alone say you get away with 80% of your crimes of driving and that means you broke the law at least 20 times per each stop(give or take a few).

With that said, you should get a lawyer, if you cannot afford one... (JK), you can call down and see if there is a weekend class or community service you can take inlieu of points. I do wish you luck, but you and your car are apparently "Marked". You can most likely get driving privledges for school and work. Forget about a jury's or judge's sympathy. You drive a porsche and they don't so you deserve everything you get to them. You need to learn to game the system. In my town, ed and me are great fishing buddies, oh by the way ed is the local PD sarge and he likes miller lite (free miller lite that is).

Good luck and remember, you control your own destiny!

"SQUEALING OR SCREECHING TIRES"
I don't get this the only place I've ever gotten my tires to do this is on the track at high speed through a 180 sweep that was slightly off camber. I've yet to have this happen on my Boxster on the street or back road twisties. All I can say is you must have done something to get attention to yourself and if you didn't switch to PZero's and paint your Box a light color.

[Brucelee]

When I was 17, my first car was a Corvette. I was pulled over twice, both times an appropriate bust. Never again pulled over.

Now, what are the chances of that happening?

Harrassment? What harrassment.

[Burg Boxster]

Originally Posted by PlayersExpress

At only 19, you're not old enough to use the cheers emoticon

Seriously though, definitely hire an attny whose is known (a/k/a connected) w/ the jurisdiction you live/must appear in.

Also, seriously consider changing your car and driving habits to become severely more conservative than you think you already are. There are some of us on the board who have 7, 8, 9, 10 or more times the years driving experience than you possibly could at 19. As one of those, who is a known fast/aggressive driver logging 20-25K miles per year, I can honestly tell you I have been pulled over 7 times total in my driving history. 4 resulted in citations, 3 were "earned", 1 wasn't but I had to just suck it up and pay (out of state and not worth the hassle plus 0 pts to my home state).

Glad to hear you're a good student. Keep at it b/c it will pay off for you in the future. Think 4 for 40.

Good luck

[PlayersExpress]

I appreciate how people believe I have bad driving habits or Im not as conservative as I say. Honesty is a rare thing in this world, but ignorance is bliss and in abundance.

Ive never squealed my tires... my Falken FK-452 285/40/17s Pretty close to track tires. Now couple that with making a 15mph right hand turn on a warm summer day, warmed up tires, and no elements.

Originally Posted by PlayersExpress

I appreciate how people believe I have bad driving habits or Im not as conservative as I say. Honesty is a rare thing in this world, but ignorance is bliss and in abundance.

Ive never squealed my tires... my Falken FK-452 285/40/17s Pretty close to track tires. Now couple that with making a 15mph right hand turn on a warm summer day, warmed up tires, and no elements.

When you bring your problems to a forum of strangers, who were not there to see what happened, you are going to get mixed reactions. Suck it up that's a part of growing up. It appears to me that you have been given some advice here and I can't understand what more you are expecting. It seems to me that, as some people have suggested, your option is to hire an attorney to represent you and provide you with a venue to tell your story and try to legally get you off, or a reduced sentence. For you to have so many altercations with the law, you have to admit, does seem to point the finger at your doing something to get attention. I got a ticket the first week I had a license, got a suspension for a month and never got another ticket until I was in my late forties and I was a wild child, I just knew where to be wild and where not.

[Brucelee]

Onshore provides solid advice. As a wise man once said: "that which goes not kill me, makes me stronger!"

you're previous posts show you're not honest about this, and your driving style.

when your case comes up, you're going to say the same thing the 200 kids before you said..."your honor, they harassed me, and pulled me over because I was 19"....then the judge will ask you about the 20 other times, and the court room will start laughing at you.

Bring a camera to court...and please post the dashboard video here - if it was harassment, I'll paypal you 500bucks...

Originally Posted by PlayersExpress

I appreciate how people believe I have bad driving habits or Im not as conservative as I say. Honesty is a rare thing in this world, but ignorance is bliss and in abundance.
.

[mptoledo]

My thought is not how you can afford a Porsche @ 19, but how the Hell you can afford the insurance with 20 citations or such? No need for a response as it was a rhetorical question. If for some reason you are correct and you didn't deserve any of the 20, I have to ask "Did you knock up the judges daughter?", Cause if not, somebody must be out to destroy you!!

I do wish you luck and suggest you talk to a lawyer for your options. no judge in his/her right mind wouldn't grant you driving priveledges for school or work, unless you are on your 3rd DUI.

[Lobo1186]

my question is. how do you get pulled over so often without a citation? every time i have been pulled over since i was 16. i have gotten a ticket. you must be one luck guy! wish i had that kind of luck when i was 16 would have saved me some serious dough

[Lordblood]

20 pull overs is a bit excessive, but I will believe you and say get a lawyer for sure.
Being a teen and driving means the world is against you. I'm 17 and driving a Boxster, and nobody likes it except my own family.

If you have proven that you were legitimately caught once for speeding, and that the other 19 times were in fact harassment, you at least stand a better chance at getting this cleared. If in fact you have been harassed THAT many times, I'd call the city council or your representative and file a complaint, this goes beyond just some cops.

[tnoice]

pulled over 20 times!! I think it is about time for you to sell the Boxster and buy a older Ford Escort. Maybe then you will not be "Targeted" by the police.

[PlayersExpress]

Yes, being pulled over about 20 times most people would call excessive or me drawing attention to myself. Well being 19 and a Porsche is enough attention but the typical stereotype for a Boxster is a 40yo white upper middle class american not some kid.

Most of the times I have been pulled over was just to check my license and registration, which they legally can do in Illinois. Most of you wouldn't believe me if I told you I was pulling into my neighborhood and had a car patrolling through it and he pulled me over 3 houses down from my driveway just to check my license because he thought I was pretty young to be driving.

I bought my car at 16. I paid for half and the other half was a birthday present. Unlike some people I started a job at 14 and had 2 and a half years to save. But yes I do have nice parents to pay for the other half. Since then I pay for ALL maintenance and insurance.


All in all I was just looking for advice on how to handle what has happened to me as stated in the first post of the topic. I guess Ill end up getting a lawyer Monday and go from there.

[gschotland]

Originally Posted by PlayersExpress

I have a 3.85GPA with 21 credit hours (normal full-time is 12-15hrs) I scored a 34 on my ACT a few years back, I turned down a full ride to Stanford, and now I go to Loyola University.

You should be pulled over and ticketed - multiple times - for turning down a full ride to Stanford. Sorry, had to say it.

[cvhs18472]

My daughters friend is a little older than you but graduated from Villanova with a 4.0 in Engineering,went to work for GE with a sizeable bonus, fullfilled his contract and is now at Drexel working on his PHD in Electro Chemical Engineering. He doesn't drive a Porsche because he probably didn't start working till he was 15 because he was a NCAA swimmer. He now coaches swimming. He probably has been pulled over more times than you and didn't think he deserved any of them. He whines for a week when he does get pulled over. I was with him once and he should have been pulled over. Brains do not preclude stupidity. Most older people realize that a person is the sum of all his good and bad points, youth assumes that one good point ( fair grades) makes all other things dissapear. Stop Whinning. JMHO Ed

[kiosko]

You guys are incredible! Do you really believe that most cops are clean? I hunt and fish with a club of around 35 guys of which the majority are cops. Let me tell you, the sickest individuals are them. They brag about their abuses and using the law to their benefit. In other words they exaggerate in order to bust individuals. Their envy of money and nice cars is incredible. They feel that the world owes them something and that people that have worked hard to get were they are all trust fund babies.

Get a good lawyer and sue the heck out of them. Maybe he will loose his job and have to go to school or like most of these clowns end up in Burger King. I'm tired of everyone living with the rose colored glasses on. The truth is that the entire country is becoming a fascist state were cops are free to abuse their power.

I know what your replies will be so save your time and don't bother. Continue living in Mayberry with aunt bee. You still believe that we are living in the same country were right and wrong was the real law of the land.

By the way, no tickets for me since I was 25 and driving a modified Miata. They do target you when you are young and have a sports car. And yes, they do have quotas to make. The easiest ones to bring up to a judge are the young guys with sports cars because the reaction is predictable. No one is innocent until proven guilty any more!

Originally Posted by kiosko

Do you really believe that most cops are clean?

yes. For the past 5 years I have been a volunteer deputy for my town. I spend 16 hours per week with officers of the law.

The majority of them got into the field because they enjoy helping people. Like any field, there are bad apples - but my experience with them has shown me that these guys and gals are a cut above.

kiosko, I think you should do some "ride alongs" if your town has them...it'll help you understand the men and women in blue a little better.