Performance Exhaust and Header for Boxster

[delubozparts]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

OK, so let me get this all straight. You join this group and rather than introduce yourself (as an eBay reseller of non-model/marque specific aftermarket components) and survey the group for thoughts on aftermarket exhaust systems and suggest that you may be able to produce one which will exceed the OEM system or other aftermarket offerings, you immediately dangle an offer for a FREE exhaust system. Oh, FREE, uh, except for a $1,000 deposit pending a post installation/testing testimonial.

You want someone (apparently Randall) to give you $1,000 of their hard-earned money and risk the wear/tear (and possible damage) to their car (anything can happen from CELs to stripped heads from installation, etc.) But, you have no confidence that the person you select will write a testamonial after getting a FREE and improved exhaust system unless you hold $1,000 of their money as security? As Jack Nicholson said in As Good As It Gets: "Where's the trust...?" Remember, it was you who came to us, not the other way around.

I'm sorry if you feel we're skeptical, but maybe we're just looking out for one of our own.

If you're so above board and interested in an unbiased opinion, why not waive the deposit altogether? Surely you can appreciate that one might not get a totally unbiased report if there were concern that a negative testamonial might result in the forfeiture of a $1,000 deposit.

Sorry, but I remain unconvinced. And, I did research your eBay offerings, both past and present. You're a reseller and sell a lot of needless junk to unsuspecting car owners, this totally useless Voltage Stabilizer http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-986-Boxster-S-Boxster-Voltage-Stabilizer-V2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33577QQihZ020QQitemZ 300021702098QQtcZphoto is a case in point.

(Sarcasm Mode ON) I cannot tell you how many reliability or performance issues we see here because of unstable voltage in the Boxster. It's a plague larger than RMS failure! (Sarcasm Mode OFF)

You have a combined total of 40 Neutral or Negative feedbacks in the past 12 mos. alone, how many of these are from Voltage Stabilizer buyers?

And, it occurs to me that if you are just a reseller, why does this system (which is already being produced and sold) need to be Beta-Tested to begin with?? Who actually manufactures this system? Where is it made and what materials are used? Is it Road Legal and smog certified in any or all 50 states?

I return to my original thought - You're just looking for new markets and trying to avoid advertising costs associated with them.

Maybe you can peddle your system to the Miata Board - http://miataforum.com/

Good Luck!...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

PS Sorry, but so far it seems that your prediction of a 50/50 split in opinion may be a little optimistic...

Hi MNBoxster,

I'm sorry that you feel strongly Negative about this Post, but you are a truthful stand up guy that watching out for your peers. Of course I'm new in this community, at least its a start for me and got nothing to hide. I'll need all kinds of Luck I can get, you know what ~~ I'll waive the deposit from Randall just to prove you wrong.

Best Regards,

Che

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by delubozparts

Hi MNBoxster,

I'm sorry that you feel strongly Negative about this Post, but you are a truthful stand up guy that watching out for your peers. Of course I'm new in this community, at least its a start for me and got nothing to hide. I'll need all kinds of Luck I can get, you know what ~~ I'll waive the deposit from Randall just to prove you wrong.

Best Regards,

Che

Hi,

I'm sure that Randall is appreciative of your waiving the deposit. But, that still leaves several unanswered questions.

Do you manufacture this system or do you buy it and resell it? If the latter, who makes the system? Where is it made and what materials are used? Mild Steel? Stainless? Is it Road Legal? Is it SMOG Certified?

If you are a reseller, why are you doing the Beta-testing? Doesn't the manufacturer have some data on it already? Where's the benefit to you to further test it independently? Do you have the manufacturer's consent to publish any such results?

And, what if a person from this Board tests it? So what?

Do you think Randall's testimonial will mean anything more to a bidder on eBay than any claim you could make? They won't even know who Randall is.

Also, Beta-Testing is done to a car which is examined and found to be in excellent shape - within Manufacturer's specs - fresh Oil, fresh plugs, top-quality fuel, properly operating fuel regulator, fuel pump, injectors, etc. Without this, the test data is not meaningful. But, you didn't make any such stipulations or state that such things would be checked.

I might be swayed into putting my car at potential risk for a company with a reputation like MagnaFlow or Supersprint, but who the heck are you? What assurance do I have that the product will not ruin my Car, or my emissions system, or DME, either immediately or after some accumulated time/miles? Where will you be if it does? Is your business Brick and Mortar or just some rented space on a server in Cyberland?

And, if you are a reseller, I suspect that you ARE using this forum to sell the product and avoid paying for advertising as the recognized Sponsors are doing. They support this Board and it's our responsibility to protect the exclusivity they're paying for. They keep this Forum running. Without them, we'd either be forced to pay or the Forum would shutdown altogether.

I still suspect that all you are trying to do is gain favor and market share with the 6,000 members of this Forum, nothing more. And, I don't find your product line or your feedback statistics very reassuring...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[delubozparts]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

I'm sure that Randall is appreciative of your waiving the deposit. But, that still leaves several unanswered questions.

Do you manufacture this system or do you buy it and resell it? If the latter, who makes the system? Where is it made and what materials are used? Mild Steel? Stainless? Is it Road Legal? Is it SMOG Certified?

If you are a reseller, why are you doing the Beta-testing? Doesn't the manufacturer have some data on it already? Where's the benefit to you to further test it independently? Do you have the manufacturer's consent to publish any such results?

And, what if a person from this Board tests it? So what?

Do you think Randall's testimonial will mean anything more to a bidder on eBay than any claim you could make? They won't even know who Randall is.

Also, Beta-Testing is done to a car which is examined and found to be in excellent shape - within Manufacturer's specs - fresh Oil, fresh plugs, top-quality fuel, properly operating fuel regulator, fuel pump, injectors, etc. Without this, the test data is not meaningful. But, you didn't make any such stipulations or state that such things would be checked.

I might be swayed into putting my car at potential risk for a company with a reputation like MagnaFlow or Supersprint, but who the heck are you? What assurance do I have that the product will not ruin my Car, or my emissions system, or DME, either immediately or after some accumulated time/miles? Where will you be if it does? Is your business Brick and Mortar or just some rented space on a server in Cyberland?

And, if you are a reseller, I suspect that you ARE using this forum to sell the product and avoid paying for advertising as the recognized Sponsors are doing. They support this Board and it's our responsibility to protect the exclusivity they're paying for. They keep this Forum running. Without them, we'd either be forced to pay or the Forum would shutdown altogether.

I still suspect that all you are trying to do is gain favor and market share with the 6,000 members of this Forum, nothing more. And, I don't find your product line or your feedback statistics very reassuring...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Hi MNBoxster,

I'm a manufacturer for these Headers and Exhaust in Taiwan, family own Business (Definitely not a Brick and motar or a Server in Cyberland). They are made of T304 Stainless Steel with Robotic TIG Weld, Header are all mandrel Bend Piping with 16 gauge Thick Stainless Steel Piping with 1/2" Thick CNC Machined Flange. Exhaust are made from 2 seperate Muffler Canister with Straight through perforated Stainless Steel Chamber again all mandrel Bend with TIG Weld. These Header and Exhaust will Pass Emission Test except didn't have Carb.Exempt # Required by California Emission Regulations.

This Free Header and Exhaust Experiment are conducted in Exchange for Actual Dyno Results and Feedback by a Reputable Member (Randall) We both Gain mutual benefits. Is it Fair ??? Obvious not by your standard. To Randall ??? Yes Everyone here in this forum are well Educated to made His or Her own Decisions.

What does the Header and Exhaust Installation have to do with ie: fresh Oil, fresh plugs, top-quality fuel, properly operating fuel regulator, fuel pump, injectors, etc. All I'm Looking for is Baseline Dyno -> With Header -> With Header and Exhaust Plus any necessary Informations given by Randall.

Have I Offer any Sales to any members ??? NO All I'm doing is conducting this experiment. Out of Respect, I would pay for all Advertising or Sponsorship Fees if any sales were conducted. For all Business to stay running and operates required expense, which I'm fully awared of. If any 986forum.com Moderators thought this Posting required any Fees, Please do let me know and I'm willing to pay for immediately.

Of course I'm nobody,just a family own Business manufactured and Sells product directly. Unfortunately I don't have unlimited Funds to do Heavy Advertising Campaign like other well known Companies, All reputable companies starts out somewhere small and takes time to built up slowly. I've been in this Business for 6 years and all Business Transactions are done word of mouth with repeated customers. At least I should get a chance to prove myself, not just assuming and marked negative about me and products.

Sure sometimes things are just too good to be true,but not necessary good things can't happend.

As for my Feedback Remark, 99.7% with 6 years Sales History more than 12,275 Positive Transactions and with 33 Negative Transactions, Nobody is perfect and tends to make mistakes. Some of the Negative Feedback were mistake left by Customers, I do admitted at 25 Mistakes but all taking care of.

Randall had all my Personal informations such as Business locations and Home address plus contact e-mail and telephone, I'm not here to take advantage of anyone and disappeared.

Please arrest my case, and let time and results be the judge of the outcome.

Best Regards,

Che

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by delubozparts

Hi MNBoxster,

I'm a manufacturer for these Headers and Exhaust in Taiwan, family own Business (Definitely not a Brick and motar or a Server in Cyberland). They are made of T304 Stainless Steel with Robotic TIG Weld, Header are all mandrel Bend Piping with 16 gauge Thick Stainless Steel Piping with 1/2" Thick CNC Machined Flange. Exhaust are made from 2 seperate Muffler Canister with Straight through perforated Stainless Steel Chamber again all mandrel Bend with TIG Weld. These Header and Exhaust will Pass Emission Test except didn't have Carb.Exempt # Required by California Emission Regulations.

This Free Header and Exhaust Experiment are conducted in Exchange for Actual Dyno Results and Feedback by a Reputable Member (Randall) We both Gain mutual benefits. Is it Fair ??? Obvious not by your standard. To Randall ??? Yes Everyone here in this forum are well Educated to made His or Her own Decisions.

What does the Header and Exhaust Installation have to do with ie: fresh Oil, fresh plugs, top-quality fuel, properly operating fuel regulator, fuel pump, injectors, etc. All I'm Looking for is Baseline Dyno -> With Header -> With Header and Exhaust Plus any necessary Informations given by Randall.

Have I Offer any Sales to any members ??? NO All I'm doing is conducting this experiment. Out of Respect, I would pay for all Advertising or Sponsorship Fees if any sales were conducted. For all Business to stay running and operates required expense, which I'm fully awared of. If any 986forum.com Moderators thought this Posting required any Fees, Please do let me know and I'm willing to pay for immediately.

Of course I'm nobody,just a family own Business manufactured and Sells product directly. Unfortunately I don't have unlimited Funds to do Heavy Advertising Campaign like other well known Companies, All reputable companies starts out somewhere small and takes time to built up slowly. I've been in this Business for 6 years and all Business Transactions are done word of mouth with repeated customers. At least I should get a chance to prove myself, not just assuming and marked negative about me and products.

Sure sometimes things are just too good to be true,but not necessary good things can't happend.

As for my Feedback Remark, 99.7% with 6 years Sales History more than 12,275 Positive Transactions and with 33 Negative Transactions, Nobody is perfect and tends to make mistakes. Some of the Negative Feedback were mistake left by Customers, I do admitted at 25 Mistakes but all taking care of.

Randall had all my Personal informations such as Business locations and Home address plus contact e-mail and telephone, I'm not here to take advantage of anyone and disappeared.

Please arrest my case, and let time and results be the judge of the outcome.

Best Regards,

Che

Hi,

Che, I have no issue with a small businessman trying to grow their business. Nor do I have any issues per se with goods from Taiwan. Though some are produced using substandard materials and shoddy workmanship, others are quite excellent. I have no way of knowing to which category your products belong, so I reserve any judgement in this area.

Aside from working for several major corporations in my life, I too was a small businessman. I started an Internet Marketing Business several years ago. Things were slow at first, I was working for free mainly to preserve my investment. We didn't have the ability to compete toe-to-toe with the bigger players, but we worked harder and the business grew. I sold my interest just 5 months ago for many hundreds of times the initial investment I made, so it all worked out.

But, we couldn't place ads in the NY Times or the WSJ, so I had to find other ways to get my product out there, but not by hijacking a Forum ostensibly by offering to have someone Beta-Test my product like you have done. This could (and probably should) have been done by you through PM (Private Message or email) rather than in an open Forum.

We have sponsors who pay good money to have exclusive access to this Forum. And, they sell Headers and Exhausts as well, your thread is a direct competition to them. If you cannot afford to do this too, well, then that's too bad, but that's all it is.

You cannot feign being a small businessman and use this excuse to circumvent the rules or proper procedures (especially with an eBay history of 12k+ transactions, at least under your current name). If eBay is all you can afford right now, well that's what you're going to have to use. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Several of our members regularly scan eBay as well.

You'll notice that I never once suggested that Randall not do business with you, that's not my concern, Randall can do as he wishes. I do think your Beta-Test offer is irregular (especially to my experience), and so I expressed my opinion and experience. I personally would not take you up on your offer, for the reasons already stated, though I cannot speak for others.

But, when you use a Forum to which I'm a member to directly compete with the Sponsors who keep us running, then I have a right (perhaps even a duty) to speak up on their behalf.

Make no mistake, if you were a sponsor, I'd defend you just as vigorously (think how you'd feel if you were paying to advertise to this group and someone just joined and displayed a competing product without paying a fee?). Whether you make make an actual sales pitch, or use a testimonial from one of the members to display your product in front of this Forum's 6,000 members, you are still selling. You know this and I know this.

So far as your eBay statistics, this too is a valid issue. I have 6k+ transactions with 100% positive feedback. The percentages can be misleading, which is why eBay discloses the past 12 month's feedbacks. The raw numbers are more important because sheer volume can mask a problem seller (and we both know that often people are reluctant to leave negative feedback, even though they weren't satisfied). You have been one at least for some of your transactions. It's fair game to bring this up, especially for some stranger who just joins the group, and who in his first post, tries to secure $1,000 from one of the members. It was you who invited people to check you out, so crying foul now just has no validity.

I don't wish you any ill will. But, I'm not going to apologize for calling them like I see them, especially where the membership is at stake. These are good guys (and girls) who come here for accurate information on their cars and associated products and services. I'm sure that Rich (aka Bruce) tries to select honest, straightforward sponsors for just this reason.

The right thing for you to do is to take this thing private between you and Randall until such time as you can afford, and/or decide, to become a sponsor. Then there would be no problem with what you are trying to accomplish. I hope it all works out...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[threpwood]

Che, do you know why you get some hot responses or even have a clue?

1. Do you own a boxster or planning to get one or even a Porsche enthusiast?
2. You had or have 7 posts only
3. No matter what your feedback score is, you are an Ebay seller (nothing is wrong with that, except people may label you as vendors trying to unload their stuff).
4. No matter what the outcome of the dyno result is, you are and have been advertising yourself to us. Saying that you have not offered any sales to members is a complete BS in my opinion. Negative or positive feedback is an exposure and I don't think members like to feel being used for this purpose.

Yes it is unfair to vendors who have been advertising in this forum and paid $ from their hard work and sweats. Members like me posts images, etc in this forum which eats up bandwidth that could costs a lot to maintain every month.

IMHO you should pay the advertisement fee in this forum first or contribute with enough posts, then get member to try out your products for free.

Just my 2 cents.

[delubozparts]

Originally Posted by threpwood

Che, do you know why you get some hot responses or even have a clue?

1. Do you own a boxster or planning to get one or even a Porsche enthusiast?
2. You had or have 7 posts only
3. No matter what your feedback score is, you are an Ebay seller (nothing is wrong with that, except people may label you as vendors trying to unload their stuff).
4. No matter what the outcome of the dyno result is, you are and have been advertising yourself to us. Saying that you have not offered any sales to members is a complete BS in my opinion. Negative or positive feedback is an exposure and I don't think members like to feel being used for this purpose.

Yes it is unfair to vendors who have been advertising in this forum and paid $ from their hard work and sweats. Members like me posts images, etc in this forum which eats up bandwidth that could costs a lot to maintain every month.

IMHO you should pay the advertisement fee in this forum first or contribute with enough posts, then get member to try out your products for free.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi threpwood,

Thank you for Pointing out the issues, currently I don't have Boxster but I used to had a 2000 Boxster till 2004. To be honest I have no clue on how to contact the right person about Sponsorship , who do you suggest ??? I believed in Fair Business practice, regardless if my approach are found to be offended by some members I've Apologized. I'm not here in this forum to or to upset anyone. Thanks again !

Che

[Dr. Kill]

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