How many miles are on your IMS Retrofit?

[Jake Raby]

While the procedure to fit this bearing into an assembled engine while in the car is still relatively new, the bearing and its application to the M96 is not. This bearing was first used in our IMS updates that have at least two more years of service than the retrofit procedure. NONE have failed.

A couple of months ago I had a rash of people that had reservations about the retrofit, because it hadn't been around for 10 years. In fact two of these people were members of their local Porsche drivers club and both were considering the procedure but weren't happy because we could not whisper things in their ears that they wanted to hear.

In a matter of 6 weeks both of those people suffered an IMS bearing failure, costing them about 16K each. After they experienced the failure one of them called me to apologize for his reservation and thanked Charles and I for developing the bearing and procedure.

What we have brought to the table is more than the bearing, its the ability to EASILY change the bearing that Porsche says is not serviceable at all. After the retrofit is carried out the first time it can be carried out much easier in the future with the same tools that were used the first time. Even if the life of the bearing was only 25K (just a wild number!) the cost of doing the swap would still be less than changing a timing belt on a Honda or Toyota.

I have personally pout 40K on my personal cars equipped with the retrofit bearing, that includes the very first bearing that was ever successfully retrofitted. We practice what we preach.

Anyone who has ever experienced silicon nitride ceramic composites in automotive, aerospace or medical device applications would understand why the material this bearing is comprised of is virtually indestructible. It is used in Shuttle components, turbine engines and even body armor.

Follow this link to the company of one of my clients who is scheduled to have his retrofit carried out in a couple of months.
www.amedicacorp.com
Make sure you view the company overview video on the home page.

As soon as he heard of the retrofit and read about the material it is comprised of, he immediately called to schedule a procedure. He develops and tests medical devices including artificial vertebrae and joints that are comprised of the exact same material that the retrofit bearing utilizes.

I first used silicon nitride in an automotive engine in 1999, then no one had heard of it. The parts I installed then are still in service today, they have completed 8 Baja 1000 races and still have not needed replacement-

[gwoodburn]

Thank you for responding Jake. I was hoping you would chime in!

I am very excited about doing the retrofit, but I only hope you understand where I am coming from. In theory, everything that I have read about it suggests that it there is no reason why it shouldn't last for 100k miles or more. It is explained very well on LN's site and by yourself and Charles on this and other sites. I guess I am more curious if anyone has been able to really get a lot of miles on these. So I guess that's why I was hoping you would respond. I figured you were probably the only one who has really put these to the test through your development with LN and its good to see that you have been since 1999. Makes me feel a lot better about paying the premium for the retrofit instead of swapping it for a steel bearing.

I guess If i don't like it, I could always use the material and have Amedica swap out my bones. I can be like Wolverine, but with ceramic instead of animantium. HA!!!!

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by sppmo

Just curious:

It's seems everytime Jake posts here it's an advertisment for his company or the LN engineering IMS bearing.

Does he have a financial investment in LN engineering?

As "Excellence" magazine stated in their October 2009 Tech column "IMS failures in Boxsters are rare".

Dude, seriously, take a hike. All you have ever done is bash everything Jake does and says. Who do you think you are and why are you here? Is your response even somewhat relevant to my original post? No, so stay on topic or get a life. You have nothing to contribute to this forum.

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by sppmo

It is only relevant if you passed the second grade dude.

What does that even mean "It is only relevant if you passed the second grade"? Your first post does nothing to answer my original question -- How many miles do you have on your IMS Retrofit? Maybe I am missing something because I haven't passed second grade, but how does questioning Jake's involvement with LN have anything to do with my question? Please enlighten me, sppmo

[JTP]

Originally Posted by sppmo

Just curious:

It's seems everytime Jake posts here it's an advertisment for his company or the LN engineering IMS bearing.

Does he have a financial investment in LN engineering?

As "Excellence" magazine stated in their October 2009 Tech column "IMS failures in Boxsters are rare".

So what if Jake has a financial stake? This is his business and his work supports our cars. Your argument is irrelevant. Jake presents his findings and if you don't believe it don't buy his products or services. I think you're in the minority here who see his posts as advertisements. They are jyst good information and people are asking him to quote them a price. We live in a capitalist society so live with the fact that someone is selling a product. Yes he makes money but he has shown he stands behind his products 100%.
Also just because a magazine says IMS failures are rare does not mean it doesn't happen. Failures have been documented over and over. We all play the odds of failure and the retrofit kit reduces the risk. Is it 100% failproof? Nothing is absolute but it helps and we are lucky to have an expert taking interest in our investment.

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by sppmo

Jake thanks for posting a reply. But you do get business from ln engineering whether you want to admit it or not. Charles even has a link to your business.

So if you don't earn any money on the sale of the part/tools you at least indirectly benefit. To say "ZERO vested interest in LN Engineering" is being disingenuous at best. That is just my "Troll" opinion.

LN Engineering has a link to my site because they like to work with us and we provide the most comprehensive installation of their IMS retrofit bearing. When we carry out these procedures they don't have to support us, we never call with questions, because we improvise, adapt and overcome challenges that would stop others with less experience in their tracks.

Like someone else said, even if I did have an investment in LN Engineering what business of yours would that be? NONE.

I believe in teamwork, if Charles and I hadn't teamed up to do this development it probably still wouldn't be applicable today. Porsche would have made at least another 150K from sales of engines that we have been able to save when caught in the middle of an IMS bearing failure.

One last thing:

So if you don't earn any money on the sale of the part/tools you at least indirectly benefit

FYI: You'll not find the IMS bearing retrofit components or tools on my site currently. We have not sold the bearings at retail or wholesale since February as our focus has been on the PROCEDURE and carrying those procedures out here at our facility along with fully updated engine builds. We could no longer support retail sales and support and I closed my store while we focused on our specialty. It is still closed today and we are not selling individual bearings or tools.

So currently and for the past 5 months we have not "earned any money from the parts/tools" as you reference. If you are going to make statements, please educate yourself before you make them.

[tnoice]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"Like someone else said, even if I did have an investment in LN Engineering what business of yours would that be? NONE."

That is correct - it is none of my business. I was only trying to make other people aware that you benefit financially from all this IMS hysteria.

When my Bosxter engines blows I will simply buy a newer one. Every year they get better and better. Why would I want to spend big bucks on something so old with dimished value. It doesn't make financial sense.

If you are not going to stay on topic, take a hike. This forum is for constructive and informative information, not your idiotic comments. Either shut it and move on or change your attitude! There is no room for you here.


Jake, I appreciate all of the research and accomplishments you have successfully done for Porsche. Your insight and information have been very useful to me.

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"Like someone else said, even if I did have an investment in LN Engineering what business of yours would that be? NONE."

That is correct - it is none of my business. I was only trying to make other people aware that you benefit financially from all this IMS hysteria.

When my Bosxter engines blows I will simply buy a newer one. Every year they get better and better. Why would I want to spend big bucks on something so old with dimished value. It doesn't make financial sense.

I didn't start the "hysteria", failed engines and their owners did. Matter of fact the failures are what led us to work our asses off to find a "fix" and it took several years to accomplish.

Its not like the bearing was made and then the failures occurred!

If you aren't concerned with the older cars and don't care about fixes for them because of their diminishing values then why are you so concerned with what we are doing? I know why.

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"If you aren't concerned with the older cars and don't care about fixes for them because of their diminishing values then why are you so concerned with what we are doing? I know why."

I'll make one last and final comment on this whole IMS thing:

I'm concerned because I hate to see people get ripped-off. Nothing pisses me off more than companies/people making money through the pychology of fear.

You must really be pissing off yourself with this fear campaign you are attemting. I suspect it has more to do with marketing than anything else.

I read the Club Lexus forum often & the moderators there deal with trolls like this swiftly by banning them.

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"If you aren't concerned with the older cars and don't care about fixes for them because of their diminishing values then why are you so concerned with what we are doing? I know why."

I'll make one last and final comment on this whole IMS thing:

I'm concerned because I hate to see people get ripped-off. Nothing pisses me off more than companies/people making money through the pychology of fear.

We all were really counting on that being your "last and final comment" I don't think we can trust anything you write!

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"If you aren't concerned with the older cars and don't care about fixes for them because of their diminishing values then why are you so concerned with what we are doing? I know why."

I'll make one last and final comment on this whole IMS thing:

I'm concerned because I hate to see people get ripped-off. Nothing pisses me off more than companies/people making money through the pychology of fear.

Who ever you are, you have now pissed me off.. Previous to this comment you were just an irritating troll, now you are insinuating that we are running an unfair business and "ripping people off".

I challenge you to find ONE of the IMS retrofit purchasers that we have installed a bearing for that feels they have been "ripped off". I haven't instilled fear in anyone, just told them exactly what the issues were and shared the stories that most would never get to see.

It doesn't appear that too many people care about what you think or want to read your comments. It seems to me that you are just another "vendor hater". Vendor haters work to break the back bone of those who actually give a damn about your car. Keep hating me, I love every minute of it.

[Lobo1186]

so Jake im a little bit confused now. First, you said that you streamlined the process so that the motivated home garage wrench turner could DIY. But, then you said you don't sell the parts.

So as of right now I can't buy the bearing from you and DIY the project? or can I lol

[seningen]

I have almost 18,000 miles on an IMS Replacement (not retrofit) and is probably one of the first ones ever done.

My wife is driving one that has a couple thousand miles on an IMSR.

My sister-in-law's IMSR is 6 months old and ~4500 miles or so I'm guessing.

There were 2 2003 Boxster S IMS failures last month in Houston.

One of them is at our shop now. Sadly it had just been purchased,
and prior to purchase inspected at a dealership who found an RMS
leak and charged the original owner $2500 to fix.
For that kind of money an indie can do the IMSR, RMS, Clutch and probably
hand back a handful of franklins. To me that is getting ripped off!

Never mentioned the IMSR -- or we might have never have seen the car at the shop.

When I made a visit to the local Porsche dealership and talked to the head mechanic. He raved about the IMSR and said that they had done several.

My philosophy is if I open up the engine -- if its my engine/car it gets done.
If it is someone elses, I recommend they strongly consider having it done
if the labor to get to that point is coincident with some other repair.

ymmv,

m

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by Lobo1186

so Jake im a little bit confused now. First, you said that you streamlined the process so that the motivated home garage wrench turner could DIY. But, then you said you don't sell the parts.

So as of right now I can't buy the bearing from you and DIY the project? or can I lol

LN sells the parts... Just because we streamlined the procedure and helped make the last tool doesn't mean that we have to continue selling the parts.. I've been focusing on development and we can't do that if we have to field 20 phone calls a day on how the process is done..

At some point we may go back to selling the parts, BUT not right now as we have too much going on. The support thats required with each kit is tremendous, people make it harder than it has to be.

[JTP]

Originally Posted by sppmo

"Like someone else said, even if I did have an investment in LN Engineering what business of yours would that be? NONE."

That is correct - it is none of my business. I was only trying to make other people aware that you benefit financially from all this IMS hysteria.

When my Bosxter engines blows I will simply buy a newer one. Every year they get better and better. Why would I want to spend big bucks on something so old with dimished value. It doesn't make financial sense.

Sppmo, thanks for informing us that someone is out there trying to earn a living and for protecting us from all the profiteers.

You criticize Jake for profiting from his labor and having a link to LNE on his site to "warn" us that Jake us profiting from us but if YOUR car dies, you're willing to fork over your money to Porsche who is knowingly and willingly selling a defective engine. Are they not out to make money? Don't they have ads on this site like Jake?

Your logic is fundamentally flawed.

Perhaps you can "simply buy a newer one" but most of us aren't graced with your wealth and must keep driving " something so old with diminished value". But who knows, maybe the value will climb again. Who knew that a '69 Camaro would sell for a 100k today?

[JTP]

Sorry, I'll get back on the topic as well. No more from me. But this nonsense makes my blood boil.

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by JTP

Sorry, I'll get back on the topic as well. No more from me. But this nonsense makes my blood boil.

+1 on that!

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by sppmo

Just curious:

It's seems everytime Jake posts here it's an advertisment for his company or the LN engineering IMS bearing.

Does he have a financial investment in LN engineering?

As "Excellence" magazine stated in their October 2009 Tech column "IMS failures in Boxsters are rare".

Nice for you to join us again.. Hope things are going well for you on "Earth". We still don't know who you are or where you are from, and you won't tell us after being asked several times. We'll have to assume you are a Troll, posting at a location under a bridge, from a laptop stealing internet from a nearby Motel 6..

I have worked with LN Engineering since before they were a company, just a couple of really hardcore students with some awesome capabilities and talent. We have worked together to "co-develop" dozens of products for Porsches, first air-cooled and then water-cooled. I have ZERO vested interest in LN Engineering, I have my own company that was founded in 1992 by me. LN and Charles have helped me on many occasions with the manufacturing of one off components for my engines and we work well together. We are able to couple engineering, manufacturing, practical application and evaluation all into one package.

Its pretty straight forward, either you recognize the IMS issue or you think we are full of crap. Either way, the fact is the decision is yours, to either take your chances or just drive on like nothing is wrong. To date I have refused to convince anyone to carry out the IMS retrofit, just state the facts, send them to the appropriate places online to gain information and let the decision be yours. After we talk to potential IMSR clients we don't call them back and pester them or try to frighten them into the bearing retrofit.. The decision is theirs. When I am asked "Do you think that I should do this bearing retrofit?" I simply respond with "do your research."

To date bearings are not in use that have been applied for 100K miles and it'll probably take another two years for the mileage points to get that high from retrofitted Porsches. We could lie to you and tell you we had already reached that point, but Charles and myself do not operate companies with those types of morals. We'd rather lose your business through your doubt and reservation as to lie to you just to squeeze a dollar from your wallet.

The bearings we have outfitted have a 100% effectiveness rating currently. Over time we will experience failures and we will learn from them just like we have everything else.

I am proud to have assisted with the development of the procedure to extract this bearing and make the procedure simple enough to be carried out by DIY enthusiast and Porsche shops that have zero M96 engine experience. Porsche said that couldn't be done and maintains that.

Be thankful that you have the choice of retrofitting your bearing, this time 18 months ago that wasn't a possibility.

Your Welcome.

YThe question the OP asked was how many miles are on your IMS bearing, since SPPMO doesn't have an IMS retrofitted car it makes me wonder why he even posted? To answer the question the OP asked, I have 40K on retrofitted cars that are currently my personal property.

Most IMSR purchasers aren't online, to get answers to this question you'd have to use a more effective tool than the web.

[gwoodburn]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Nice for you to join us again.. Hope things are going well for you on "Earth". We still don't know who you are or where you are from, and you won't tell us after being asked several times. We'll have to assume you are a Troll, posting at a location under a bridge, from a laptop stealing internet from a nearby Motel 6..

I have worked with LN Engineering since before they were a company, just a couple of really hardcore students with some awesome capabilities and talent. We have worked together to "co-develop" dozens of products for Porsches, first air-cooled and then water-cooled. I have ZERO vested interest in LN Engineering, I have my own company that was founded in 1992 by me. LN and Charles have helped me on many occasions with the manufacturing of one off components for my engines and we work well together. We are able to couple engineering, manufacturing, practical application and evaluation all into one package.

Its pretty straight forward, either you recognize the IMS issue or you think we are full of crap. Either way, the fact is the decision is yours, to either take your chances or just drive on like nothing is wrong. To date I have refused to convince anyone to carry out the IMS retrofit, just state the facts, send them to the appropriate places online to gain information and let the decision be yours. After we talk to potential IMSR clients we don't call them back and pester them or try to frighten them into the bearing retrofit.. The decision is theirs. When I am asked "Do you think that I should do this bearing retrofit?" I simply respond with "do your research."

To date bearings are not in use that have been applied for 100K miles and it'll probably take another two years for the mileage points to get that high from retrofitted Porsches. We could lie to you and tell you we had already reached that point, but Charles and myself do not operate companies with those types of morals. We'd rather lose your business through your doubt and reservation as to lie to you just to squeeze a dollar from your wallet.

The bearings we have outfitted have a 100% effectiveness rating currently. Over time we will experience failures and we will learn from them just like we have everything else.

I am proud to have assisted with the development of the procedure to extract this bearing and make the procedure simple enough to be carried out by DIY enthusiast and Porsche shops that have zero M96 engine experience. Porsche said that couldn't be done and maintains that.

Be thankful that you have the choice of retrofitting your bearing, this time 18 months ago that wasn't a possibility.

Your Welcome.

YThe question the OP asked was how many miles are on your IMS bearing, since SPPMO doesn't have an IMS retrofitted car it makes me wonder why he even posted? To answer the question the OP asked, I have 40K on retrofitted cars that are currently my personal property.

Most IMSR purchasers aren't online, to get answers to this question you'd have to use a more effective tool than the web.

Thank you Jake. Myself and everyone else here respects your honesty and devotion.

Regardless of what sppmo thinks, my IMS retrofit is now on order and will be here Friday!