LN bearing failure

[porsche-land]

Jake and Charles, somehow we knew that we would get back to this subject. We never expected it would be so quick
Our customer has installed LN bearing "upgrade" along with AOS and a new clutch, cost $4000. 2 years and nearly 30,000 miles later he found metal shavings in his oil filter and on his magnetic plug. He sent his engine to our shop for core credit after he purchased one of our 3.6l rebuilt motors. He's out total of $16,000 because of his "upgrade", and now regrets he ever touched the original bearing in the first place.
Luckily, he caught it in the beginning stage, bearing is loose, but no major engine damage yet. Metal shavings from inner and outer races were circulating inside his motor and managed to wear out main and rod bearings, we also found tiny shavings from the bearings in oil.
Here are links to 3 videos, 1 shows bearing still in his motor, 2- when it's being removed, and last one once it's out.
If anyone else doubts which bearing is better, now you know. This is the exact reason why we use only roller bearings in our rebuilt motors. We have customers who have been driving their cars with our bearings for years, and they have no problems. They are far more durable, and have 5x more load capacity than ball bearings, even with ceramic balls. Every time we try to speak about it publicly, we get shut down. Maybe now people will see for themselves. Everyone deserves to know how much it costs to have LN bearing failure.
Please do not take this as provocation on our end, we did not expect this to happen. Our customer will be happy to confirm this in case anyone will question our post. Please take this as a warning, and hopefully a lesson.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwcdH6NKwiwmZmRmZUlnUGJURkk/edit
https://plus.google.com/114142858650917399806/posts/Tg9H5ExDC79?pid=6132964022287110930&oid=114142858650917399806
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwcdH6NKwiwmek0tWDJFZGhOTHc/edit

[clickman]

And the battle resumes.

(Where's the popcorn emoticon?)

[porsche-land]

LOL, more info about our work here: https://www.facebook.com/porscherepairservice?ref=hl

[ltusler]

So what proves the bearing failing is caused by the bearing? Are you going to film the tear down of the rest of the engine checking for other failures such as the chains shedding material?

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by ltusler

So what proves the bearing failing is caused by the bearing? Are you going to film the tear down of the rest of the engine checking for other failures such as the chains shedding material?

We already checked the engine, nothing else is wrong. Customer also said his engine ran perfect, no noises, no problems whatsoever, just the metal shavings. We looked at the shavings, and there were no other pieces. If it was chain failure, there would be other pieces in the oil pan. There was nothing except for the bearing shavings.

[Pdwight]

FFR on this matter

[Jake Raby]

So, you got banned from Rennlist for your behavior, and now you are here trying to start a mess?

A blind man can see straight through your motive with this post. In your video link it would help if you'd offer some narration, otherwise it appears that you are a mime, right down to the gloves.

When your technology (actually its not yours) is applied near 25,000 times, and people all over have installed them, you might graduate to a level high enough where a component fails.

Under my roof we have completed 400 IMS Retrofit procedures, dating all the way back to a time prior to 2007. Out of those we have not experienced a single failure of any IMS Retrofit product. Why? Because of the regimen that I developed and the post- process support and instruction that we provide to the vehicle owners. Qualifying the engine prior to the IMSR is just one part of the process, the job is not done when the car is finished; we must ensure the owner uses premium quality engine oil, and services the engine every 5K miles or 6 months.

That said, say what you want, the Lion isn't concerned with the opinion of the Lamb. No one will know the variables behind that failure, but what I want to know is why are you posting it, and why isn't the owner concerned enough to report this through the proper channels? Everyone reading this knows why.

[tonichristi]

Blah, blah, blah...

Self serving crap, as always. "Zero failures"? BS. You have said yourself that there are numerous failures, you just always point the blame somewhere else. I also seriously question your ridiculously (self serving) high number of 25,000. You got anything to back that up?
How about some real documented numbers on installs and ACTUAL FAILURES? You know, all of those failures that you blame on improper install or other failures causing the bearing to fail? I've researched your postings extensively, so have a rough idea and the numbers look similar to the bearing that Porsche chose.
I applaud your efforts. I really do. But all of these monkeys that follow you need a serious dose of reality. Who, in their right mind, takes advice from someone that stands to profit from that advice? I might if it weren't for the FACT that you deny any culpability and claim your creation to be bullet proof with a WHOPPING 30 DAY WARRANTY!!!

Self. Serving. Crap.
Weren't you supposed to quit the forums? You still working on that? Hurry up.

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

So, you got banned from Rennlist for your behavior, and now you are here trying to start a mess?

A blind man can see straight through your motive with this post. In your video link it would help if you'd offer some narration, otherwise it appears that you are a mime, right down to the gloves.

When your technology (actually its not yours) is applied near 25,000 times, and people all over have installed them, you might graduate to a level high enough where a component fails.

Under my roof we have completed 400 IMS Retrofit procedures, dating all the way back to a time prior to 2007. Out of those we have not experienced a single failure of any IMS Retrofit product. Why? Because of the regimen that I developed and the post- process support and instruction that we provide to the vehicle owners. Qualifying the engine prior to the IMSR is just one part of the process, the job is not done when the car is finished; we must ensure the owner uses premium quality engine oil, and services the engine every 5K miles or 6 months.

That said, say what you want, the Lion isn't concerned with the opinion of the Lamb. No one will know the variables behind that failure, but what I want to know is why are you posting it, and why isn't the owner concerned enough to report this through the proper channels? Everyone reading this knows why.

[tonichristi]

Here's a fine example:

In the thread linked below, the original poster asks if anyone else has had trouble with their LNE spin-on oil filter adapter loosening up, causing an oil leak (and possibly catastrophic engine failure when the car dumps all of its oil on the highway). You quickly replied with "I developed that component", and "we've not had that happen, even once".
Yet, in that short little thread that was just started, there are at least 2 reports in only 5 posts reporting leaks. How many more are out there?
Deny, deny, deny! Always user error, right? It's your policy
I'm not saying you bring nothing to the table; I'm just saying that the something that you do bring is laced with self serving false advertising and utter denial of responsibility. I'll pass (see my signature).

You really need to stop jumping on every one of these posts and bashing these people. It makes you look really petty and small. I would go to them long before I would even think about going to you. I would also never even mention your or your company's name to anyone needing help, based solely on your bad attitude and unprofessional posts.

LN Spin On Adapter worked itself loose? - Rennlist Discussion Forums

[Timco]

And you are the 'person' who was ordered by Porsche USA to Cease and Desist using their good name? I'll personally make this call later today.

Screen shots saved.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

Here's a fine example:

In the thread linked below, the original poster asks if anyone else has had trouble with their LNE spin-on oil filter adapter loosening up, causing an oil leak (and possibly catastrophic engine failure when the car dumps all of its oil on the highway). You quickly replied with "I developed that component", and "we've not had that happen, even once".
Yet, in that short little thread that was just started, there are at least 2 reports in only 5 posts reporting leaks. How many more are out there?
Deny, deny, deny! Always user error, right? It's your policy
I'm not saying you bring nothing to the table; I'm just saying that the something that you do bring is laced with self serving false advertising and utter denial of responsibility. I'll pass (see my signature).

You really need to stop jumping on every one of these posts and bashing these people. It makes you look really petty and small. I would go to them long before I would even think about going to you. I would also never even mention your or your company's name to anyone needing help, based solely on your bad attitude and unprofessional posts.

LN Spin On Adapter worked itself loose? - Rennlist Discussion Forums

Lol. Nice rants. How would you suggest ensuring every spin on adapter was properly torqued if you sold to the public?

Your posts are far more "unprofessional" and mud slinging at best, and always show up after a Raby post. Hmmmmmmmmm.....

So you have an opinion about IMS bearings. Cool story, bro!!!

[Jamesp]

News flash! Bearings fail. All of them, period. And for many reasons. It's only a matter of time. So instead of this lets do this .

[Smallblock454]

+1

Bearings fail.

Porsche Land had a Link to their Facebook Fanpage above. So they sell an own IMS solution: https://www.facebook.com/porscherepairservice/posts/1533054036913282

Interesting is what kind of bearing they use. I did some research in the last days - Nachi, SKF, and a lot of other manufacturers on 6204 bearings. Well, if someone does that he will note that there are a lot of differences between roller bearing and ball bearings concerning max rpm capacity.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

Blah, blah, blah...

Self serving crap, as always. "Zero failures"? BS. You have said yourself that there are numerous failures, you just always point the blame somewhere else. I also seriously question your ridiculously (self serving) high number of 25,000. You got anything to back that up?
How about some real documented numbers on installs and ACTUAL FAILURES? You know, all of those failures that you blame on improper install or other failures causing the bearing to fail? I've researched your postings extensively, so have a rough idea and the numbers look similar to the bearing that Porsche chose.
I applaud your efforts. I really do. But all of these monkeys that follow you need a serious dose of reality. Who, in their right mind, takes advice from someone that stands to profit from that advice? I might if it weren't for the FACT that you deny any culpability and claim your creation to be bullet proof with a WHOPPING 30 DAY WARRANTY!!!

Self. Serving. Crap.
Weren't you supposed to quit the forums? You still working on that? Hurry up.

More self serving crap from this guy here. I've never seen a post of his serve any value other than to bash others. Wish he would hurry up and quit the forums! And as he himself has stated before.....no one asked for your opinion.

[CHRISP357]

Tonichristi, you go drink your LN kool-aid right now!
"The lion doesn't care about the opinion of lambs". So why spend so much time trashing the competition and people who use the competition? You remember, the customers you called "bottom feeders".
When my motor goes, I'm calling Porsche-land for that very reason.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

Tonichristi, you go drink your LN kool-aid right now!
"The lion doesn't care about the opinion of lambs". So why spend so much time trashing the competition and people who use the competition? You remember, the customers you called "bottom feeders".
When my motor goes, I'm calling Porsche-land for that very reason.

tonichristi quoted jake Raby, and apparently has an issue following him around, only bashing him while offering no real value to the site.

[kk2002s]

+1 Bearing fail - All of them can - There is no such thing as 100% quality assurance
The bearing could have been defective
The retrofit INSTALL may not have been smooth - Does anyone know?
The original bearing was replaced so there is some Un-Known history related to the IMSB

Self serving - valid point

porsche-land - if it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck...
- Your OP is a shot at the LN bearing, that's pretty clear and I think you will get what you want here - a whole lot of threads
Can you hear all those keyboards typing away
If your products are good and prove themselves over time then others will start coming after you

Jack's point - Defending his products, a pat on the back - OK - natural pride in his work.
But one thing that is very clear (at least to me) - I see a lot of posts from Jack offering suggestions, advise and sharing his experiences and knowledge to average Joes such as my self that I don't see as being Self serving, just helping this community

just my 5 cents (accounting for inflation)

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

Tonichristi, you go drink your LN kool-aid right now!
"The lion doesn't care about the opinion of lambs". So why spend so much time trashing the competition and people who use the competition? You remember, the customers you called "bottom feeders".
When my motor goes, I'm calling Porsche-land for that very reason.

Do as you wish. Look at who started this thread, show me ONE thread that I have initiated where I opened a topic with no reason but to intentionally trash someone. You won't find it, because it doesn't exist.

Who, in their right mind, takes advice from someone that stands to profit from that advice?

Ummn, you sir, are completely wrong!!! I sell zero parts, if you click the parts tab on my site you'll be taken to a page that ends with a 404 error. I have not sold parts for these engines to anyone in over 5 years!! When you buy from LN, you are not buying from me as I have done my developmental work and been paid for it as I developed the component. By the time something goes to market I have been out of the monetary chain for 3-6 months.

I might if it weren't for the FACT that you deny any culpability and claim your creation to be bullet proof with a WHOPPING 30 DAY WARRANTY!!

!

Again, thats to be taken up with someone other than me, is not my call. If it were up to me, the products wouldn't get a warranty at all, because I know a little too much about the engines. Something else failing, taking other parts out is always my fear. Here's 6 months of our proof of this:



The fact about the spin on oil filter not loosening is also not exaggerated. I have installed these on every one of my engines since the beginning of the program. I have never had one work it's self loose. I did the development on this product as well and tried to get them to loosen during normal practices. If the prior filter is over tightened and during removal it breaks torque on the adaptor, the adaptor must be re- torqued before a replacement filter is fitted to keep the assembly from being compromised. Thats wrenching 101, but since keyboards can't hold a wrench, few people understand this today.

I was only able to have one loosen when I overtightened the oil filter by double, then broke it loose. When this was done, the filter made the adapter break torque. That was only in development, hasn't happened since.

I defend LN products because before that product was sold it got a chunk of my life, and I know that Charles and his crew are great people, trying to earn an honest living. It sucks that they have to fight with so many less- than- ethical people.

[coreseller]

Jake, I don't know how you can stomach some of these asshats.

Tonicristi and porsche-land are relative newbys to the forum with obvious axes to grind.

Have they ever posted up to help someone out?

Has Jake?

There's your answer.

If you don't want to deal with or purchase something from Jake don't, coming onto forums to publicly bash your competition is pretty poor form and very unbecoming...........Just Sayin'

[Jake Raby]

Jake, I don't know how you can stomach some of these asshats.

It hasn't bothered me in years. I have learned to make it an enjoyable experience.

I've learned that a lot of good comes from people that start threads like these and often, their intentions are turned around and directed back at them within just a few posts. Often times its like a self inflicted gunshot wound.