Prices going up?

[Jgkram]

It's all based on MY and presumably some level of lower mileage associated with newer cars. Not enough performance difference between base and s to drive significant price differences within the same MY. These are quickly just becoming old cars. Pulled up next to a new model base civic this week. He beat the crap out of me until I could get it up into the higher portion of the power band but by that time we had run out of road to play with. OUCH!!!!!

[cas951]

Originally Posted by Jgkram

It's all based on MY and presumably some level of lower mileage associated with newer cars. Not enough performance difference between base and s to drive significant price differences within the same MY. These are quickly just becoming old cars. Pulled up next to a new model base civic this week. He beat the crap out of me until I could get it up into the higher portion of the power band but by that time we had run out of road to play with. OUCH!!!!!

Best to just give them a thumbs up and smile. Win or lose you didn't gain anything.

Now when I was younger............

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by Jgkram

It's all based on MY and presumably some level of lower mileage associated with newer cars. Not enough performance difference between base and s to drive significant price differences within the same MY. These are quickly just becoming old cars. Pulled up next to a new model base civic this week. He beat the crap out of me until I could get it up into the higher portion of the power band but by that time we had run out of road to play with. OUCH!!!!!

That's why you insist upon a "S" !

[Jgkram]

Cas951, you got that right! Oh, and by the way Byprodriver, I was in an s.

[Porsche9]

Originally Posted by Jgkram

Cas951, you got that right! Oh, and by the way Byprodriver, I was in an s.

2016 Bas Civic has 158 hp. With the CVT per Motortrend Civi sport with 180hp the 0 to 60 is 6.8 seconds and the six speed is 7.5 seconds.

2017 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport First Test - Motor Trend

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Econo cars nowadays can be surprisingly quick but losing to a base civic?

Either way, i have noticed the prices for 986's creeping up in Norcal but summer approaching seems to be the logical reason.

[Jgkram]

Well, maybe it wasn't a base. All I know is it was quick as h$#%. Like Porache9 pointed out, at 6.8s it's only a few tenths slower than a 16 year old s. Which I am sure has lost some oomph. Sorry I let our badge down guys. Unfortunately a bad driver (me) + a slow car = shame & disappointment.

[Oldcarguy]

Originally Posted by Jgkram

Well, maybe it wasn't a base. All I know is it was quick as h$#%. Like Porache9 pointed out, at 6.8s it's only a few tenths slower than a 16 year old s.

Hi Jgkram, Porsche lists the 2004 986s w/6 spd 0-60 at 5.5-5.7 seconds. A 6.8 sec 0-60 is more than a second slower. A second is a lot for 0-60. I'll check my 2004 986s with DashCmd when I feel like punishing it a little. Like it has been mentioned, the 986 is not really geared for this, so don't beat yourself up. Both of our other cars are consistently quicker than our 986s, and the Audi is basically point and shoot (the Explo is a challenge to launch well).

As a 0-60 comparison, our 2014 Audi s5 cab (a 4,100 lb car) with 7 spd DCS trans & launch control enabled consistently turns very low 5s and my 2015 Explorer Sport SUV with Livernois tune consistently turns mid 5s. On a particularly perfect run, the Explo turned a 5.09. The Explo weighs nearly 4,900 lbs. Definitely some technological advancements in the last decade so it's not only Civics we have to watch out for in the stoplight drags

Having said all this, 0-60 is not everything, not even an important aspect to some (me included in the context of my 986 ownership experience). The 986 will bury the Civic and my Explo on the top end and my Explo is just plain scary anywhere north of 90 mph anyway.

Anyway, here's the 5.09 run in the Explo. Some of the other info below seems whacked because I shutdown as soon as I had the 60 mph split and made the screen print after I came to a stop.