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Old 08-13-2014, 11:59 AM   #1
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C'mon! those track workers arrived seconds after KW was run over. Meaning they were already on their way to the disabled car and you could clearly tell from their reaction and the manner that they parked the tow truck that they were not expecting to find a body. How is that sensationalizing? TS knew the track workers were on the way if not already on the track but chose to go higher up the track and at a faster speed than the cars that played it as safe as possible. As a result of his actions and KW's there was no margin for error.
Can't have it both ways PL... Workers didn't, yet TS w/ very limited and much more restricted peripheral vision was expected to see a person in a black suit w/ a black helmet on a dimly lit hot track in active lanes of traffic. Watch the video after TS impacted KW and you'll see other cars on similar line...

Red flag should have IMMEDIATELY been thrown the second KW stepped onto track... let alone when he deliberately walked into traffic. The corner workers in the finger lakes region are some of the sharpest I've ever encountered anywhere yet they (and track workers as you cite above) and TS missed KW on track...

Could TS have done more to try and avoid running KW over? Possibly, but his options and reaction window were more than limited. Much like the Malucelli & Gidley crash at 24hr of Daytona this year.

Tragic yet preventable loss and a conversation we wouldn't even be having had KW stayed in vehicle on a hot track
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:18 PM   #2
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Can't have it both ways PL... Workers didn't, yet TS w/ very limited and much more restricted peripheral vision was expected to see a person in a black suit w/ a black helmet on a dimly lit hot track in active lanes of traffic. Watch the video after TS impacted KW and you'll see other cars on similar line...

Red flag should have IMMEDIATELY been thrown the second KW stepped onto track... let alone when he deliberately walked into traffic. The corner workers in the finger lakes region are some of the sharpest I've ever encountered anywhere yet they (and track workers as you cite above) and TS missed KW on track...

Could TS have done more to try and avoid running KW over? Possibly, but his options and reaction window were more than limited. Much like the Malucelli & Gidley crash at 24hr of Daytona this year.

Tragic yet preventable loss and a conversation we wouldn't even be having had KW stayed in vehicle on a hot track
Doesn't matter if some other cars were on a similar line. That wasn't the safest line. Which is the whole point. A seasoned NASACAR veteran, who has experienced on-track fatalities first hand, and more than once, should only be on the safest line during a caution.

KW would probably have walked further into the track so maybe it's a moot point.
The more important answer will come when, and if we ever see Stewart's on-board footage to determine if like other driver hinted, that TS could see Ward on foot yet still chose to go high. That's the critical piece of evidence.
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:32 PM   #3
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I would be very surprised if the prosecution would be allowed, under the Rules of Evidence in New York State, to tender evidence of Stewart's prior misconduct, including engaging in fights with fellow drivers, or entering the racing surface to throw his helmet at a fellow competitor. Even prior criminal convictions can only be tendered if the accused testifies, or if he attempts to lead evidence of his good character; in the latter case, under Article 60 of the NY Code, only evidence of convictions relavent to the issue of his character in disupte are admissable. What is more, it is only the fact of the conviction itself that is admissable (and not the facts of the previous offence that led to the convictioni).

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Old 08-13-2014, 02:40 PM   #4
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Doesn't matter if some other cars were on a similar line. That wasn't the safest line. Which is the whole point. A seasoned NASACAR veteran, who has experienced on-track fatalities first hand, and more than once, should only be on the safest line during a caution.

KW would probably have walked further into the track so maybe it's a moot point.
The more important answer will come when, and if we ever see Stewart's on-board footage to determine if like other driver hinted, that TS could see Ward on foot yet still chose to go high. That's the critical piece of evidence.
Well, KW clearly stepped back from first car/driver which either did not see or could not avoid him... yet continued down afterwards.

This whole thread would be moot had KW stayed in his vehicle...

Believe, I'm horrified at a senseless and tragic loss of life occurring in a sport we all enjoy in many different facets.
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