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Old 11-05-2012, 12:24 AM   #1
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I hope Karma catches him!

As I approach my car in the morning, I notice a very abrasive scuff on my rear bumper. My heart drops as I see the damage and a small part of me dreams that there will be a note on the windshield..... I look, and low and behold there is a note with a number! my faith in humanity was restored!
I call the number and talk to the guy, turns out this "Bob" guy watched it all go down as some a$$ clown hit my car while parking. As the culprit ran in to get something from the restaurant ( he worked there) Bob took some pics and waited a bit for the culprit, but couldnt hang around for too long.

Since it was his plate that did the damage its not paint transfer its all scrapes and gouges some deep into the plastic.


he pushed my car forward 6 inches with his car, some how the Subaru had no damage.


I first call the police to file the report for insurance reasons. I give the cops all the information, including the guys license plate number. Problem is I didnt have the first number, that being said the officer informed me that there was really nothing they could do without the full number.... ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? there are 26 possible options! what would have taken maybe 30 minutes of work was just too much for the cops, so he told me I was alone on this one.

I go into the Bar that the guy worked for, asked around and showed some staff the picture of his car, the 2 guys i talked to both agreed it was "Carlos's" car, he works again on Tuesday. Finally I got to talk to a manager, I tell him I want to talk to Carlos, and see if we can work this out with out involving the cops. Manager tells me that no one there is named carlos, and thinks that I must be just trying to cause drama. I show him the pictures and then he relaxes a bit. As he is taking my info he asks what kind of car it is. I say a silver boxster and as he is writing it down he stops and asks " wait a Porsche?!?"

After that he was sweating bullets and finally was very helpful, gave me the GMs number and had me send the photos to her. He even admitted to knowing whose car it was. Sadly since then I left her 2 messages, and have not heard back from anyone!

A little back story, is I am only 23 years young. I bought this 99 box myself with no help from my parents, i did my research and got a killer deal! buffed out the paint so it looked brandy new! Anytime I have to talk about my car i get nothing but nasty remarks about mom n daddys money and crap like that. I am extremely nervous that I will for ever get the run around from these guys. Keeping my fingers crossed!
I hope you all never get someone this disrespectful to not own up to their mistakes and leave you a note with their number on it!
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:49 AM   #2
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Hi there mate I feel you. Not to make you feel any better but some people are really ********. Here's my story. I too bought a 2004S at 26 with no help from anyone and try to keep it looking its best. A few weeks ago I was waiting in line to embark a ferry with my Boxster and this grey Ford Transit was waiting in line before me. I was outside the car having a smoke when this guy (not the van's driver) comes over to me and asks if the Boxster is mine ---- to cut a long story short he brought to my attention that the driver of the Transit opened the Van's boot and a wheelchair that was in the boot fell on my bumper and hood!

You can imagine my feeling at that time ---- I go to check the damage and it was then that the van's driver came to speak to me. Well he gave me his details, cell no, SS Number, ID No etc and we agree that he will be paying my damages, which were a respray of both the bumper and hood. It was time to embark and we went on our ways. As soon as I got off I filed a police report.

Monday came and I get some quotes..... 910 euros from the dealership and around 400 from a local shop that I get work done at sometimes. Pleased that 400 should not be affordable to him I call him in the evening..... after a few minutes trying to explain who I was, he 'remembered' and upon telling him it totals too 400 euros, he starting swearing at me and even told me that he won't be paying anything, and that I can take him to court if I like. Ah damn!!!

I call my insurance, who offer to pay off the damage at the dealer, however I have a 500 deductible and I lose some no claims bonus.... not worth.

I wait a few days and call him again... he offered to give me just 260 euros as he called the Toyota Dealer and they quoted him that for a bumper and hood re-spray. This guy is thinking that I have a Toyota and not a Porsche!!

Police can't do a thing, so I am stuck. Probably I'll end up taking his 260 -- at least I would have gotten something then try to fix it later. Some people!!!!!
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:01 AM   #3
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What is wrong with people anyway? If it was my car, I'd keep returning to the place till the car you are looking for is there. Take a photo of the entire plate and his damage, then go back to the po po, if they don't bite you will need to go to small claims court.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:38 AM   #4
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Rene, that sucks! like you said 260 is better than none. its one thing to not have the money id rather have an honest guy say " i messed up, this is all the money I have, what can i do about the rest?" guess i can keep dreaming.

Bad things come in 3s. Im in the beginning of my road trip back home to Colorado. I was here for the weekend, but now am having to stay longer to deal with this crap!

AND last week i had an immobile car due to clogged drain and water getting on the M53 control box... sigh I hope this is the last of my issues
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It's sad to see hit and runs, one of the lowest of the low. Hope everything works out to those who got wronged.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:33 AM   #6
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Are you kidding me!!!!.

You have photos, a witness and know where the guy works. Tell the cops you want to speak to the supervisor, and demand that he take a report on this accident.

Tell him the DA (get the DA's name and use it) is next on your contact list if he offers no assistance. (Supervisors hate getting raked over the coals because their Chief gets a call/complaint from the DA).

(Might as well make that perception of the rich spoiled kid with influential parents work for you)

Also Name the restaurant and lets get an email campaign going to the restaurant owner to help them correct their staffs behavior and do the right thing.

You could also contact the restaurant and tell them to save their security tape for that day as they can expect a subpeona for it, and that destroying evidence of a crime is a felony.

I'll send them an email, and I'm sure lots of other Porsche friends here would as well. Might at the least save another forum owner similar grief at the same location.

The guys job hangs in the balance at the very least, plus the restaurant might also have some customer liability protection for its parking areas.

If folks don't do the right thing, I fully support applying as much arm twisting as it takes till they acquiesce or succumb to the consequences.

That's the problem these days...No consequences = No responsibility
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:39 AM   #7
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"Don't get mad or take the law into your own hands….you take 'em to court!" Doug Lewellen on Judge Whopner

When you try to seek justice and do not find any….take them to court! While not a fan of the legal system, or lawyers, small claims court would make them pay ACTUAL damages AND legal fees up to $5,000, amount varies by state…so you should not have ANY problem getting an attorney to take the case b/c of the proof you have collected.

Good job on the investigative side, you may have just made your case - photos, testimony and putting the criminal there at the scene. You will need HIGHER repair estimates from REPUTABLE shops, no Indies - make sure they do not miss ANYTHING! Put it back to 100% of where it was that day, before this idiot!

Of course, with the legal system in this country (unless you are a criminal):

1). You have to pay the Attorney up front (or better SHOW THEM THE CASE and make sure they understand even a baboon could win). They may not charge a retainer, as a result.
2). It will take months to collect. You may WiN in court and LOSE at collecting. In which case, find the assets and you will win the case.
3). You will be nervous, do NOT let your age be an issue. Stand up and fight in court IF you have been wronged. Do NOT confront the guy, he has already given you his answer. The attorney can direct an investigator to find the license plate, even if the police will not. You MAY go down to the station, not on a busy day, and ask a cop face to face, show him the problems to your car, repairs estimates, and tell him about the situation. I have found that in person is a different response than you will get by phone.

Either way you will win, in the end. Just do not let age, the person's offishness or the situation keep you from prevailing. Keep your head in the game. You will come out with lost time but ultimately will "have your day in court" and most likely win.*

"A win in the end - beats your end in the wind" Me, I said that.

* I am not an attorney but can probably play one better than some of ones I have paid for. That is a JOKE, just in case you are an attorney. And, if looking to sue, don't call me I'll call you!
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Are you kidding me!!!!.

...That's the problem these days...No consequences = No responsibility
That is "trickle-down politics" at work when nothing else is, instead of 'trickle down economics' and working we used to have!
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That's a normal parking method in Paris, France..
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Its a slippery slope this No Consequences = No Repsonsibility trend these days.

If you follow the trend to its logical conclusion you will have anarchy in the end.

Now we understand why socialist leaning governments like to ban weapons.

If people are allowed to just do what they want then if someone rear ends you and there are no consequences, you should be able to just step out of your car and Darwinize them on the spot, loot their car and drive off just as well!

Not the kind of world I want to live in.

So its our obligation as members of a free democratic society to correct this at every opportunity, and make the wrong doers see the light, or take them to it by force. (legal/police Not violence)
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That's a normal parking method in Paris, France..
Yaa, but they drive junk boxes that you can lift up with 4 guys and "repark" if in your way.
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ccstud17, you are doing the right thing. Stay persistant and factual. I'm sure your parents are proud of you.
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Not that I'm excusing the guy (I'm not), but I can see why he might have been frustrated, or downright PO'd enough to want to bang things around some trying to get his car out of the parking spot...he was totally pinned in!

That being the case, I suspect it was the Subie driver coming up from behind that did the pinning. At least the guy could have used "Reverse" instead of "Drive" and taken it out on that car and not yours!
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Frodo: he "fit" his car int there, both the subie and I were already there!

Thank you all for the advice!

I talked to the GM today, she was polite but claimed she had no idea whose car it was and there was nothing she could do. I was NOT dining there.
She then said, I saw my own car in the picture, yet wouldnt give me a list of who was working there at that time with her, or anything. She told me to just keep asking around to employees.
Im not a stray dog! I will not hang around the back of a restaurant! Ill go in the darn kitchen if I have to lol.
I Still have not heard back from the police....

Here is the Establishment that it happened outside of, in all honesty it is an awful place for food, and now with the run around that i have received, I strongly discourage anyone from eating there!
Bastas Trattoria | The finest Italian cuisine in Portland Oregon

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Old 11-05-2012, 02:33 PM   #15
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I sent the following email to Bastas with the title "Do The Right Thing"

To Bastas Management:

A young man's auto was recently damaged by an employee named Carlos. The young man is attempting to get contact information on Carlos and would appreciate your assistance. He has an eye witness to the accident but cannot get the process to be repaid in motion if he doesn't get info on Carlos. The eye witness has confirmed the young man did nothing wrong and he should not have to bear the brunt of the repair and the high ins that will go along with filing a claim.

How would you feel if you were in the young man's position?

If you truly are Portland's finest Italian restaurant, I'm certain you'll do the right thing.

Thank you.

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Tell the cop if he can't even figure this one out he stands no chance at making detective. (sadly I've had to use this line on a less then brilliant cop) He's missing the first letter and can't figure it out? He has only 36 possibilities (a-z and 0-9) Talk to the cops supervisor. Point out that even a junior Dick Tracy fan club member can figure this one out. (you may want to phase it less derogatory) Anyway also post on Craig's list. offer a $50 reward for finding the car, then lead the cop to the car and ask for his days salary because you had to do his job.
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Frodo: he "fit" his car int there, both the subie and I were already there!

Bastas Trattoria | The finest Italian cuisine in Portland Oregon
REALLY??? Not to doubt you, but...he's literally bumper-to-bumper front and back! How'd he do dat??? That's some pretty amazin' parallel parking!! Now, why couldn't he get out without wreaking such havoc???
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A little back story, is I am only 23 years young. I bought this 99 box myself with no help from my parents, i did my research and got a killer deal! buffed out the paint so it looked brandy new! Anytime I have to talk about my car i get nothing but nasty remarks about mom n daddys money and crap like that. I am extremely nervous that I will for ever get the run around from these guys. Keeping my fingers crossed!
I hope you all never get someone this disrespectful to not own up to their mistakes and leave you a note with their number on it!
I feel your pain. I am in the EXACT same boat, exact I was only 17 when I bought mine. However; I did pay for it all myself, bought it needing a transmission, which I did myself. Do all of my own work, and just know how to save money. I'm rather tired of people asking me what I payed for it. Like, I don't ask you how much money you make every year!
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:23 PM   #19
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Husker: thank you very much, EVEN though i was born and raised in CO and HATE NEB (cept for pheasant hunting) thank you very much.

Brad: Isnt it so frustrating, using car knowledge to drive more than a honda civic, yet all you get in return is bad attitudes and stand offish people!

Frodo: As he "slid" in, he scrapped the heck outta my bumper, pushing my car forward about 6 inches. just stupidity at its worst!
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:05 AM   #20
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I feel sorry for you,

as you are fighting a tough battle to seek the justice you deserve. Not to rub salt in a wound, but there is to some extent a lesson to be learned by all here....do not parallel park your car as you are asking for trouble. I work downtown and from my office window used to watch drivers struggle to parallel park their cars all day long and bump others cars (but never to the extent this creep has). When I return from lunch I sometimes see a nice parking spot along the street in the shade but always come to my senses and park as I usually do and walk the extra few steps to work. I know it is sad as you parked correctly but the truth is the majority of the population cannot and so to avoid hassles like this I would encourage you to avoid parking streetside as much as possible in the future. Hope you get things worked out.
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