A place for my piece

[peterbrown77]

Originally Posted by cfos

Alternatively, I think it may be said that it's also easy for the "armed" to believe that they will always hit their marks in said situation or otherwise, deter criminal acts from going down, right? They Han Solo, back when it meant something to Han Solo... I mean, sure, I'm thankful for never being in that scenario and can't comment on what I'd do whether armed or not, but I have witnessed people cut in line. In my mind, I'm pretty damn righteous. I'm a hero and everyone also in my line, has my back. They tell their children of this day. There are articles written about that confrontation. A government holiday is created. I'm on television answering questions, accepting awards, having little babies named "cfos" all over the place. I no longer pay taxes. I'm allowed to contribute to a Roth, again. I sell my signature for Shatner money. Right? .....!

So you're implying I'd shoot someone who cut in line in front of my if I have my gun with me? F you. Do you know how difficult it is to get a CC permit? You show me where someone with a licensed firearm and permit ever did something like that. Your stupid analogy is just that - stupid.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So you're implying I'd shoot someone who cut in line in front of my if I have my gun with me? F you. Do you know how difficult it is to get a CC permit? You show me where someone with a licensed firearm and permit ever did something like that. Your stupid analogy is just that - stupid.

No, I didn't say that at all. You did.

All I said, is that we all have conceptions of "what" would happen in ALL situations. And, unlike real life where people make mistakes or accidents happen, these instances NEVER occur in those situations where, you know, we tell others how "we" would handle ourselves and how criminals will just poop their pants at your righteousness and (implied) superior skills. That's also why I never read about how police officers get shot or killed by criminals, right? I mean they open carry, right? No one is every able to Han Solo them, right? They also get their man and justice is always served in the courts.

Surely, you didn't pull out a gun and shoot somebody that cut in line, but undoubtedly, I am CERTAIN, you made that person get out of line because you are CERTAINLY righteous and know what's best for everyone - sorta like our resident financial genius, and protector of spending on parts, ParticleWave (who can retire at 37). Oh, by the way, yes I do have a CC permit. It was really quite easy. Paid some $40 or so dollars. Sat in a class. Went outside. Took a picture. Done and done. Just cuz you are a Nutmegger, doesn't mean that other states are so strict.

[peterbrown77]

Originally Posted by cfos

No, I didn't say that at all. You did.

All I said, is that we all have conceptions of "what" would happen in ALL situations. And, unlike real life where people make mistakes or accidents happen, these instances NEVER occur in those situations where, you know, we tell others how "we" would handle ourselves and how criminals will just poop their pants at your righteousness and (implied) superior skills. That's also why I never read about how police officers get shot or killed by criminals, right? I mean they open carry, right? No one is every able to Han Solo them, right? They also get their man and justice is always served in the courts.

Surely, you didn't pull out a gun and shoot somebody that cut in line, but undoubtedly, I am CERTAIN, you made that person get out of line because you are CERTAINLY righteous and know what's best for everyone - sorta like our resident financial genius, and protector of spending on parts, ParticleWave (who can retire at 37). Oh, by the way, yes I do have a CC permit. It was really quite easy. Paid some $40 or so dollars. Sat in a class. Went outside. Took a picture. Done and done. Just cuz you are a Nutmegger, doesn't mean that other states are so strict.

So, again - show me an actual occurrence. Or you can't? And I wouldn't make the criminal poop his pants, I'd empty the clip. It's not a competition to see who has the biggest dick, it's life and death. Talk about being righteous? The stupidity flows from you like a river.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So, again - show me an actual occurrence. Or you can't? And I wouldn't make the criminal poop his pants, I'd empty the clip. It's not a competition to see who has the biggest dick, it's life and death. Talk about being righteous? The stupidity flows from you like a river.

Is this recent enough for you Petey?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/03/he-thought-he-could-help-concealed-carry-gun-wielder-intervenes-in-domestic-dispute-and-is-shot-dead/

[Giller]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So, again - show me an actual occurrence. Or you can't? And I wouldn't make the criminal poop his pants, I'd empty the clip. It's not a competition to see who has the biggest dick, it's life and death. Talk about being righteous? The stupidity flows from you like a river.

You'd empty the clip? And potentially hit innocent bystanders, or damage others property, as it's highly unlikely you would hit your target 100% of the time with your adrenaline going and heart pounding.....

I'd hate to be standing anywhere near you at that time.

I'd still rather give him my wallet and spend a few minutes on the phone cancelling my credit cards than spending potentially hours and hours at the police station or hospital or worse....lots and lots of time at the morgue.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So you're implying I'd shoot someone who cut in line in front of my if I have my gun with me? F you. Do you know how difficult it is to get a CC permit? You show me where someone with a licensed firearm and permit ever did something like that. Your stupid analogy is just that - stupid.

Here you go, Petey.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

[pilut2]

I'm so glad that daily life in Canada doesn't involve the worry of defending oneself. I don't envy you guys.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by pilut2

I'm so glad that daily life in Canada doesn't involve the worry of defending oneself. I don't envy you guys.

You have a government.

Therefore you have something you may possibly need to defend yourself from.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

You have a government.

Therefore you have something you may possibly need to defend yourself from.

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.

You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??

We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Giller

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.

You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??

We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

The term "COME AND TAKE IT" comes to mind....

And "WILL NOT COMPLY".

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Giller

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.



You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??



We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

For the time being the constitution and court system defends my rights and that's part of why I don't own a gun and if I acquire one in the next 10 years or so is give or take.

But you have to be careful who you elect because that person could do away with those checks and balances. Not that I think it'll happen in my life time or that I want to have it happen, but I like to have the right to a gun to defend myself against the government above all else. If I have a problem with a criminal id rather the police deal with it, but what if some day the police become a gastapo. We reinstate the draft. Eminent domaine becomes a bigger problem then it already is. Or they keep knocking down people's doors over land rovers.

http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-just-seized-40-land-rovers-imported-to-the-u-s-1605985758

For now the constitution protects the rights of the individual but with increasingly Authoritarian candidates being pushed for by voters left and right be them socialist or borderline Facist, Amongst increasing use of executive order from our current president and likely next. There may come a day that the idea of a milita isn't too crazy after all.

It's like an airbag in a car, heavy and useless and shouldn't ever be needed. But it's nice to have if God forbid you do need it.

[Pdwight]

I just wanted some ideas on places...especially if I forgot and left the top down for 30 minutes or so. We can ll debate the rights and cause and effect till we turn Lapis in the face. I love firearms , always have....I also love Engines (Car, plane miniature model), tools etc. Guns are what you make of them, if you want to go to see a different side of firearms go to Camp Perry and watch the Nationals. People have been killing each other since there have two or more of us....

I appreciate all your input on this.

All my Best
Dwight

[Giller]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

For the time being the constitution and court system defends my rights and that's part of why I don't own a gun and if I acquire one in the next 10 years or so is give or take.

But you have to be careful who you elect because that person could do away with those checks and balances. Not that I think it'll happen in my life time or that I want to have it happen, but I like to have the right to a gun to defend myself against the government above all else. If I have a problem with a criminal id rather the police deal with it, but what if some day the police become a gastapo. We reinstate the draft. Eminent domaine becomes a bigger problem then it already is. Or they keep knocking down people's doors over land rovers.

The Feds Just Seized 40 Land Rovers Imported To The U.S.

For now the constitution protects the rights of the individual but with increasingly Authoritarian candidates being pushed for by voters left and right be them socialist or borderline Facist, Amongst increasing use of executive order from our current president and likely next. There may come a day that the idea of a milita isn't too crazy after all.

It's like an airbag in a car, heavy and useless and shouldn't ever be needed. But it's nice to have if God forbid you do need it.

The challenge is if things get that bad, it's too late. They will have disarmed you all first.

[78F350]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

... Or they keep knocking down people's doors over land rovers.

The Feds Just Seized 40 Land Rovers Imported To The U.S.
...

The biggest threat to the national security of the U.S. is climate change. Those old vehicles, it seems, contribute to it disproportionately. I'm comforted that Federal law enforcement has their priorities straight.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So you're implying I'd shoot someone who cut in line in front of my if I have my gun with me? F you. Do you know how difficult it is to get a CC permit? You show me where someone with a licensed firearm and permit ever did something like that. Your stupid analogy is just that - stupid.

AAAANNNNDDDD speaking of stupid, with apologies to Timco and others, would you also burn and bleach the bodies when self-defending and emptying your clip?

Goose Creek resident who shot, burned, buried men granted bail - Charleston Scene

This case is intriguing. I mean, I can't imagine what the cost of the cab fare was. Yeah, yeah, I get that we don't know if this guy had a permit, so please disregard this thread since we all about the validity up in hereeeeeeee!

[Timco]

Originally Posted by cfos

AAAANNNNDDDD speaking of stupid, with apologies to Timco and others, would you also burn and bleach the bodies when self-defending and emptying your clip?

Goose Creek resident who shot, burned, buried men granted bail - Charleston Scene

This case is intriguing. I mean, I can't imagine what the cost of the cab fare was. Yeah, yeah, I get that we don't know if this guy had a permit, so please disregard this thread since we all about the validity up in hereeeeeeee!

First, it's a mag. Pistols use a magazine. We've been over this.

Second, I may need a second shot, but I'm certain the first shot will be on target. No need to dump the mag.

Third, you can find as many crazy stories on the web as you want to find. Doesn't make me any less responsible. Heck, I saw a show last night about a Russian prisoner that killed, cooked and ate his buddy, then gave some of the meat to his friends. I don't think he even owned a gun....

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Timco

First, it's a mag. Pistols use a magazine. We've been over this.

Second, I may need a second shot, but I'm certain the first shot will be on target. No need to dump the mag.

Third, you can find as many crazy stories on the web as you want to find. Doesn't make me any less responsible. Heck, I saw a show last night about a Russian prisoner that killed, cooked and ate his buddy, then gave some of the meat to his friends. I don't think he even owned a gun....

Yes, I know that - hence I said "with apologies to Timco and others" - I was doing my best to speak to the post and use like language as Petey... so he would understand (and possibly reply as this thread has been entertaining, especially so now that particlewave seems to have gone full potato and left...?). Had this been a movie, or I really put effort into my post, I would have given you the Rickey Bobby, "With all due respect..."

Although, this does raise an interesting question and, with all due respect:

You (and others) seem to feel fine with C&C and carrying in the car... ok. Can't say I'm really bothered by what you and others do. Hasn't impacted my life in any way, and I hope that my life will continue to be conflict free. Yet, didn't we see a post or thread some time ago about you not locking your door to the house? Getting confronted by someone or something during the wee hours of the morn? Having this been, not the first time...? I guess, I'm just confused. You (others) feel you need a gun with you, fine. But, you don't feel obligated to lock your house? That I don't get. I mean, if it is purely a security thing... with the gun toting... why isn't the door locked? Do the other carrying members feel the same way? Do they not lock their house? Is this something that's forgotten, or somehow less important than being out in the wild and possible piece-less?

Sure, maybe you forgot (this one time) and my recall may not be 100%, but were I to feel certain that my life is better when carrying, I would think I would make damn sure my house was also locked every night (yah never know when the "Elders" or "sisters" may come a-knockin' with their backpacks and bicycles... and convert yah with their promises of your own planet in the afterlife Or worse yet, the "solar" dealers or exterminators... I'll be honest, I can't count how many times I'm getting knocks on the door by people claiming they did the lawn care for this house for the previous owner. Guy had a payroll of 14 different companies if I believe what they tell me!). Alarmed, too. Hell, I can't count (yes, I like to count) the times I've circled back around to make sure the garage was closed and it didn't "pop" up for some electrical reason. That may be me, though. What do the other pro-carriers think? Am I the only one that is confused by this math?

[Timco]

Originally Posted by cfos

Yes, I know that - hence I said "with apologies to Timco and others" - I was doing my best to speak to the post and use like language as Petey... so he would understand (and possibly reply as this thread has been entertaining, especially so now that particlewave seems to have gone full potato and left...?). Had this been a movie, or I really put effort into my post, I would have given you the Rickey Bobby, "With all due respect..."

Although, this does raise an interesting question and, with all due respect:

You (and others) seem to feel fine with C&C and carrying in the car... ok. Can't say I'm really bothered by what you and others do. Hasn't impacted my life in any way, and I hope that my life will continue to be conflict free. Yet, didn't we see a post or thread some time ago about you not locking your door to the house? Getting confronted by someone or something during the wee hours of the morn? Having this been, not the first time...? I guess, I'm just confused. You (others) feel you need a gun with you, fine. But, you don't feel obligated to lock your house? That I don't get. I mean, if it is purely a security thing... with the gun toting... why isn't the door locked? Do the other carrying members feel the same way? Do they not lock their house? Is this something that's forgotten, or somehow less important than being out in the wild and possible piece-less?

Sure, maybe you forgot (this one time) and my recall may not be 100%, but were I to feel certain that my life is better when carrying, I would think I would make damn sure my house was also locked every night (yah never know when the "Elders" or "sisters" may come a-knockin' with their backpacks and bicycles... and convert yah with their promises of your own planet in the afterlife Or worse yet, the "solar" dealers or exterminators... I'll be honest, I can't count how many times I'm getting knocks on the door by people claiming they did the lawn care for this house for the previous owner. Guy had a payroll of 14 different companies if I believe what they tell me!). Alarmed, too. Hell, I can't count (yes, I like to count) the times I've circled back around to make sure the garage was closed and it didn't "pop" up for some electrical reason. That may be me, though. What do the other pro-carriers think? Am I the only one that is confused by this math?

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by Timco

Of course you are. Don't let the fact that your hard working, honest and add value to those around you color your view of yourself. You have money which makes you a bad man in the base. Add your white privilege to that you're down right despicable. You left your door unlocked which makes it your fault that poor underprivileged man with a rough upbringing was forced to enter your house. You should be ashamed of yourself for abusing people like that. I'd say you owe that man, everyone on this forum, and the greater metropolitan SLC area an apology.

[CHRISP357]

Although, this does raise an interesting question and, with all due respect:

You (and others) seem to feel fine with C&C and carrying in the car... ok. Can't say I'm really bothered by what you and others do. Hasn't impacted my life in any way, and I hope that my life will continue to be conflict free. Yet, didn't we see a post or thread some time ago about you not locking your door to the house? Getting confronted by someone or something during the wee hours of the morn? Having this been, not the first time...? I guess, I'm just confused. You (others) feel you need a gun with you, fine. But, you don't feel obligated to lock your house? That I don't get. I mean, if it is purely a security thing... with the gun toting... why isn't the door locked? Do the other carrying members feel the same way? Do they not lock their house? Is this something that's forgotten, or somehow less important than being out in the wild and possible piece-less?

Sure, maybe you forgot (this one time) and my recall may not be 100%, but were I to feel certain that my life is better when carrying, I would think I would make damn sure my house was also locked every night (yah never know when the "Elders" or "sisters" may come a-knockin' with their backpacks and bicycles... and convert yah with their promises of your own planet in the afterlife Or worse yet, the "solar" dealers or exterminators... I'll be honest, I can't count how many times I'm getting knocks on the door by people claiming they did the lawn care for this house for the previous owner. Guy had a payroll of 14 different companies if I believe what they tell me!). Alarmed, too. Hell, I can't count (yes, I like to count) the times I've circled back around to make sure the garage was closed and it didn't "pop" up for some electrical reason. That may be me, though. What do the other pro-carriers think? Am I the only one that is confused by this math?[/QUOTE]

Everyone has their own way of living but if my Daughter is home, my house is locked. If I'm gone or alone, often unlocked. Not much of a burglary problem here and everything is insured. If a friend may need something it doesn't bother me to leave it open. (Although, to be honest, I lock the keys to my Porsche in one of the safes. I trust my friends with my house, tools, etc. but not so much with my car...)
The gun, I wear all the time. If you carry a gun it needs to be very natural/normal and familiar. I don't believe I'll ever have to produce it in public but I would never bet my life or my Daughters life on that.