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Old 03-05-2010, 03:36 PM   #1
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Sorry for the hijack, but what are those two things in the foam? Boat transom plugs?
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I'm older so to my experience a Sports Car is a very specific and narrowly defined thing. Thats what Sports Cars were when I became driving age and that's what I always think of when someone says Sports Car.

This usually meant balance, lightness, handling and braking over power. It also usually meant a minimum of creature comforts - the comfort was in the driving, not the cupholders, stereo, traction control and digital doowhackys.

It also meant that it wasn't created for, or marketed to, everybody. It was a daily driver for only the most Hard Core. Taking an Infinity GXX and rebadging it a 350Z 'Sports Car' is exactly the opposite of what a Sports Car used to mean.

In this light, the 986 is much closer to it's original vision than the 987 will ever be.

I could buy any Boxster on the market, but the only ones I'd ever own would be the 1st Gen 986.

Good thing for Porsche that not everyone shares my view.

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Old 03-06-2010, 02:56 AM   #3
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I'm older so to my experience a Sports Car is a very specific and narrowly defined thing. Thats what Sports Cars were when I became driving age and that's what I always think of when someone says Sports Car.

This usually meant balance, lightness, handling and braking over power. It also usually meant a minimum of creature comforts - the comfort was in the driving, not the cupholders, stereo, traction control and digital doowhackys.

It also meant that it wasn't created for, or marketed to, everybody. It was a daily driver for only the most Hard Core. Taking an Infinity GXX and rebadging it a 350Z 'Sports Car' is exactly the opposite of what a Sports Car used to mean.

In this light, the 986 is much closer to it's original vision than the 987 will ever be.

I could buy any Boxster on the market, but the only ones I'd ever own would be the 1st Gen 986.

Good thing for Porsche that not everyone shares my view.

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Well people are getting dumber these days, they have to look at the TPMS to check tire pressure as supposed to the original method. They also need a computer to tell them when they need oil change.

I work in IT and even I hate all these computer crap overtaking cars!

Sorry my friend has a Superformance Cobra, no computers, no stability control, no airbags. You can put your arms over the door (you cannot do this anymore on modern cars because of increased safety). You need to learn how to drive it because there's no computer to safe your life.

For the same reason I kind of want a 356 Speedster, but my friends told me I already got a great car and should stop dreaming.
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Old 03-06-2010, 03:24 AM   #4
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Ekam, You certainly have a nice car, sometimes we lose our perspective and gratitude. After all, many people will only dream their entire life of driving a Porsche at all.
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Well people are getting dumber these days, they have to look at the TPMS to check tire pressure as supposed to the original method. They also need a computer to tell them when they need oil change.

I work in IT and even I hate all these computer crap overtaking cars!

Sorry my friend has a Superformance Cobra, no computers, no stability control, no airbags. You can put your arms over the door (you cannot do this anymore on modern cars because of increased safety). You need to learn how to drive it because there's no computer to safe your life.

For the same reason I kind of want a 356 Speedster, but my friends told me I already got a great car and should stop dreaming.
I've had the pleasure of driving a 356. It's a fantastic car if you're into the unfiltered driving experience. Driving a Boxster is like trying to read braile with gloves on compared to the 356 and the old 911s that I love. I still own the 30 year old Rx-7 that I learned to drive in because I haven't found a car that's more fun to drive.

I'm like lil and you, I have no interest in refinement, options or luxuries in my sports cars.
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:53 AM   #6
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I have only put 1,000 miles on my 06, and it still freaks me out when the stability control kicks in. When I'm fully comfortable with the car, I expect to take my "sprited" drives with it turned off. I have a '65 Mustang for my back-to-basics driving. If I ever finish it!
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:39 PM   #7
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I have only put 1,000 miles on my 06, and it still freaks me out when the stability control kicks in. When I'm fully comfortable with the car, I expect to take my "sprited" drives with it turned off. I have a '65 Mustang for my back-to-basics driving. If I ever finish it!
You can turn off the PSM (Porsche Stability Management, a.k.a. Please Save Me) but it will kick back in automatically when specific thresholds are meet and exceeded (like wheel spin, braking, car spin, and etc.).
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:47 PM   #8
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All great perspectives from different ages and starting points!
My first Porsche was a 1964 356C Cabriolet. Being a Cabrio was very important because I push started that car, by myself, more than I ever pushed anything. If it were a hard top, there would have been no way to push it, jump in, get it in gear and dump the clutch in time to start that piece of crap Bosch 6 volt system!! I lived in Miami when I owned it, so there were no hills to park on.
I loved that car!!
By the way, it had headlights that look almost exactly like the 987 headlights (basic overall shape)..........so I don't want to hear about 986 headlights looking more like a Porsche, it's all from your age and perspective. The 987 also reminds me a great deal of the 356 looking out the windshield.
My next was a 1968 911. It made the 356 seem both arcaic and slower than my first sports car, a 1961 MGA. The 911 was a brute (for it's day) and a purely scintilating car to drive. It made no allowances for wimpy driving and would kick your ass if you even thought about "breathing off" the throttle in a corner. If you forgot to keep the RPM over 3000 it would foul spark plugs in less than a minute.
Keeping the double 3-barrel Weber carbs clean and synchronized was a full time job that would test the patience of a dead man. I loved every second of it. Changing plugs and adjusting the valves really required an extra elbow in your right arm, but I couldn't find a doc who could do it, so I cussed and bled like every other 911 owner who couldn't afford the dealer. Front brake pads lasted about 8k miles.
I absolutely loved my 68 911.
Next was my favorite, from a pure driving standpoint - 1971 914/6. It had the same Weber carbureted 2 liter of the 68, but in a much lighter and mid engine car. Although it made the 911 seem sophisticated, NOTHING came close to the thrill of tossing that perfectly balanced sports car around any corner you could find. I learned to drive, I mean really DRIVE, in that car. You could do anything with it. It was perfection in motion. As Lil Bastard said above in describing what we consider a sports car, the 914/6 is my definition. My brother bought the car new and then they had a baby, so I bought it from him - for $3500!!!!! I ended up selling it back to him two years later, so I could buy my first Formula Ford.
We've often talked about that car and compared it to my 987 and have come to the conclusion that had Porsche built the 914 as a Porsche, rather than a VW, and had it looked like the next generation 911, like a Cayman/Boxster, rather than whatever a 914 was supposed to look like, there may not be any other sports car companies. Why bother?
I also bought/restored/sold five 914/4s over the years, but they were a sad excuse for the 6, especially the VW brakes and wheels.
The next 25 years I spent in and out of formula cars and a couple of sports racers and quite frankly, any street car in comparison is quite like comparing a Piper Cub to an F14. It also pretty much satisfied the "pure sports car" genes!!
Now to 986/987. In full disclosure I haven't owned a 986, but had two different 986-S cars for weekend tests. The first was an 01 and the second was an 04. They were almost like a first and second generation of the 986, to me. In all fairness, they were both used and obviously the 01 was 3 years older, even though it had 10k fewer miles. To me, everything about the 04 was more sophisticated and worked better and smoother than the 01, but at the same time, the 01 did not fell more "pure" to me. To me, a Porsche is supposed to be the state of the art and, in comparison, the next Boxster I had for a weekend, my 987, was far closer to that state of the art in how EVERYTHING on the car was just that touch better. I thought the steering had a little less feel, but at the same time was a little more responsive and secure feeling. The seats fit and held me better and Wifey made the same comment. I liked the interior design, fit and finish much more. I thought the ergonomics of the interior were better and it had both more room and better organization of that room. I thought it both rode better and held the road better. I agree about not having a spare, just like the RX8- it is stupid.
I like the 987 body shape better, but do like the 986 side intakes. As you can see by my pic, I like the Cayman side intakes best of all three designs.
After the 914/6 and racing mid engine cars for 25 years, I was not interested in what I quite frankly think is over engineered 1960's technology - the 911. I don't want 300 lbs of mass hanging out behind the rear wheels or all the engineering over-corrections needed to make it work as well as it does. In all honesty, if Porsche put all that trick GT/Cup Car stuff in a Cayman, the Grand AM RX8s, Camaros, and G8s couldn't smell their exhaust fumes.
So what does this 5000 word essay mean, in the end? Not a damned thing, other than I had a Saturday evening to kill!!
But it means just the same as all the other comments above because as I said in the first line, it's all about your perspective, your age and what YOU are looking for in YOUR car.
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:10 PM   #9
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Good Eye...

... they are boat transom plugs which I use for completely silencing my PSE (Pedro Sport Exhaust) hack by forcing the exhaust through the OEM muffler.



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Old 03-05-2010, 05:17 PM   #10
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... they are boat transom plugs which I use for completely silencing my PSE (Pedro Sport Exhaust) hack by forcing the exhaust through the OEM muffler.



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OK... that's a new one on me. It's a good day whenever you learn something new. Today was a good day!

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Old 03-06-2010, 08:48 AM   #11
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I updated from a base 1999 986 to a base 2006 987 for lots of reasons.

40 more horsepower. I'm no longer embarrassed when stepping on the accelerator in 5th gear.

Sounds more like a Porsche.

Highly upgraded interior. The old one was too cheap and plasticky.

Glass rear window. No longer have to do the chop when lowering the top.

Creature comforts like homelink, rain sensing wipers, remote key for both trunks, a glovebox.

Cross drilled rotors.

I like the more aggressive look and the new headlights.

I could go on, but think I've made my point.
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Having owned a 2004 Boxster S and a brand new 2011 Boxster S I can say the new one is definitely better bcus:

40 more bhp and more torque. more fun to drive. great road feel.
the 6 speed is smoother, better. a true joy. best stick ever.
the digital speedo is much better located as are all the readout. the dash is much improved.
Lots more toys-
Computer standard
tire pressure monitor
xenon lights that turn
ventillated seats
power seats with memory
Sports Exhaust awesome.
Navigation has altitude feature. great in the mountains.
bluetooth
XM radio built in rather than an add-on
the LED lights look good
self-dimming mirrors
rain sensitive wipers

only downside is no spare

all this for $7k more in 10 years. Not bad.

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