Softronic upgrade,.

[Ciao]

I think a flash works better with an intake & exhaust upgrade rather than with stock

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by Ciao

I think a flash works better with an intake & exhaust upgrade rather than with stock

But $900 for the Softronic tune? How much is that $900 going to gain you with these mods?

[Ciao]

Originally Posted by KRAM36

But $900 for the Softronic tune? How much is that $900 going to gain you with these mods?

Does not have to be Softronic; there are a variety of tunes in the market. All would be cost effective (depending how much one is willing to spend) with intake/exhaust upgrades

[flmont]

I would do a 987 Air box and plenum upgrade but only if its noticeable. Iam happy with the 2.7 But if I could do A LOT BETTER with a couple of mods I would consider it,..but Iam not wanting to change out Exhaust Etc if that is the only way,.I would just go with a bigger engine,.. I just want to do some quick easy Mods that work,.! Thanks Frank

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by flmont

I would do a 987 Air box and plenum upgrade but only if its noticeable. Iam happy with the 2.7 But if I could do A LOT BETTER with a couple of mods I would consider it,..but Iam not wanting to change out Exhaust Etc if that is the only way,.I would just go with a bigger engine,.. I just want to do some quick easy Mods that work,.! Thanks Frank

Doing the 987 air box change is not a quick and easy job, however the payback in performance was worth every bit of time I spent doing it. I did that mod before I did the exhaust and it I was very impressed with the mod. Now that's with a 3.2 engine, not sure how much a 2.7 would gain.

[thstone]

10-15hp increase for the flash alone.

I got another 6-8 hp from a $300 catback muffler (and have the dyno tests to back it up) but only above 5000 rpm.

Any hp increase from intake mods (like air box) are debatable unless you go to a larger throttle body.

[tommy583]

Originally Posted by thstone

10-15hp increase for the flash alone.

I got another 6-8 hp from a $300 catback muffler (and have the dyno tests to back it up) but only above 5000 rpm.

Any hp increase from intake mods (like air box) are debatable unless you go to a larger throttle body.

Is this on a 2.5? I haven't changed the air box, but i did install the larger throttle body from a 996. I'd consider doing headers and hi flow or no cats. I have an indy with the Porsche scan tool that can code ROW or any other tune the car will take. He is also a Softonic installer. Hmmmm.

[BrokenLinkage]

My indie was gonna push a ROW tune for me recently, but the dealer could not be persuaded to release the DME programming codes, even when I personally approached the service mgr directly with car title in-hand, first citing liability concerns and then bluntly stating that they wanted to protect their profits so why should they release the codes if they don't have to, since it was just giving away business. I was pissed off, I own the entire car outright and feel I should be given full access to do whatever the hell I want with it. I now order my parts from the net.
PS apparently they feel key programming is enuf of a PIA and little enough profit that they WILL release these codes. Go figure.

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by thstone

10-15hp increase for the flash alone.

I got another 6-8 hp from a $300 catback muffler (and have the dyno tests to back it up) but only above 5000 rpm.

Any hp increase from intake mods (like air box) are debatable unless you go to a larger throttle body.

For sure, if you're going to do the 987 air box swap, you need to do a full intake upgrade to take advantage of the larger air box.

Originally Posted by BrokenLinkage

My indie was gonna push a ROW tune for me recently, but the dealer could not be persuaded to release the DME programming codes, even when I personally approached the service mgr directly with car title in-hand, first citing liability concerns and then bluntly stating that they wanted to protect their profits so why should they release the codes if they don't have to, since it was just giving away business. I was pissed off, I own the entire car outright and feel I should be given full access to do whatever the hell I want with it. I now order my parts from the net.
PS apparently they feel key programming is enuf of a PIA and little enough profit that they WILL release these codes. Go figure.

I called my Porsche dealer parts section and it sends me straight to a voice mail. I called them about getting a new key fob programmed for my car. I think I have left 5 messages and never received a call back. There is only one Porsche dealer near me and it's 30 min away. I'm just going to drive there one day and see what's going on with them not answering the phone, never calling me back and see if I can get my key fob programed while I'm there.

[jaykay]

Originally Posted by Ciao

I think a flash works better with an intake & exhaust upgrade rather than with stock

For a 3.2, my impressions are that this tune is geared to work with the stock intake and stock 68mm TB. It gives a nice snap crackle pop on the overrun if you have right exhaust set up (2nd cat delete + bypass)

It did not adapt well to a larger 997 diverter tee and 74mm TB.

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by jaykay

For a 3.2, my impressions are that this tune is geared to work with the stock intake and stock 68mm TB. It gives a nice snap crackle pop on the overrun if you have right exhaust set up (2nd cat delete + bypass)

It did not adapt well to a larger 997 diverter tee and 74mm TB.

This was with a Softronic tune? I was under the impression when I talked to them, that the tune would take into account the mods you have as you tell them what mods you have done? Maybe I misunderstood the guy when I was talking to him?

[flmont]

Well KRAM36,.I guess I didn't really mean only quick and easy,the intake Mod I understand is not easy but that is more doable for me,Than say changing out the Cams, But if paying 900.00 for a softronic upgrade along with a Airbox/Intake system and I can gain 20/25 HP or better Torque numbers than that is worth it , Hell my 92' Subaru SVX engine( going in a 914) was rated at 230 HP and I think 230 Lbs of torque, but with new larger injectors and a ECU upgrade they claimed 260 plus the card is about 325.00 and what ever the injectors would cost and it was a proven 30-40 hp gain,..I sure wish that could be done on the 2.7 !

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by flmont

Well KRAM36,.I guess I didn't really mean only quick and easy,the intake Mod I understand is not easy but that is more doable for me,Than say changing out the Cams, But if paying 900.00 for a softronic upgrade along with a Airbox/Intake system and I can gain 20/25 HP or better Torque numbers than that is worth it , Hell my 92' Subaru SVX engine( going in a 914) was rated at 230 HP and I think 230 Lbs of torque, but with new larger injectors and a ECU upgrade they claimed 260 plus the card is about 325.00 and what ever the injectors would cost and it was a proven 30-40 hp gain,..I sure wish that could be done on the 2.7 !

Oh yes, very doable. It takes a lot of time to do the job and one bolt in the intake runner you have to remove is a complete PITA to get to. With all my mods on the stock tune I'm up 30 HP when I use an online calculator with my 0 to 60 MPH time, car weight and auto trans. Allowing the 3.2 to breath better wakes this engine up big time. I just don't know how a 2.7 will fair with these mods and I don't think a complete air intake upgrade would get you 20 HP extra. Maybe someone with a 2.7 that has done this mod will chime in.

[flmont]

And that's why I asked to see if it can be done to a 2.7 ,But I also figured that the ECU upgrades gotta be worth something but,.these days kinda pricey for the return for a base box,.!!

[jaykay]

Yes. At the time, the product was standard across the board for all 3.2 customers. There weren’t any updates that I was aware of. Custom tunes are a different story.

These are solely my impressions of throttle response, the old but dyno, pull, and engine acceleration vs the stopwatch from 3K to 5000. At 5000 plus the cockpit of my car is too manic to discern anything.