Gun discussion. So piper6069 can let the other thread be.

[DoninDel]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

So you are all for the police to stop a law abiding citizen just to check if they have a weapon and if so it's unloaded. Sounds like a police state to me. What other rights are you willing to give up to feel safer

How does that differ from a cop pulling you over and asking to see license, registration and insurance???

I really find it funny that I worked in Manhattan and Joisey City for years and YOU are the one that is afraid....

[SMK Shoe]

Originally Posted by DoninDel

How does that differ from a cop pulling you over and asking to see license, registration and insurance???

I really find it funny that I worked in Manhattan and Joisey City for years and YOU are the one that is afraid....

Was trying to stay out of this, but here we go.

Last I knew a cop had to have some reason to pull you over. Seems like there is a amendment about unlawful search and seizure, but whatever. You are so willing to give up your rights, so who care about civil liberties.

Wow, you worked in Manhattan and joist city, good for you. NO, I do not walk around afraid because I know I can defend myself and my family.

You want to feel nervous, Walk a patrol in Baghdad, or outside the green zone, or the albon village complex, or up around tikrit, OR the pesh river valley, or the Korgal valley. Not even gonna sit here and list them all. If you have never picked up a weapon and defended this country, why are you so willing to give up our rights that you didn't put anything on the line to protect.

If YOU don't want to be able to protect your family, that's fine. Don't stop me from doing it.

Three types in this world. Wolves, Sheep, and Sheep dogs.

Sheep dogs try to protect the sheep

Wolves try to eat the sheep

Sheep think as long as they don't see a wolf in front of them that there are no wolves.

You must decide what you are. I know from over 26 years of service what group I fall in.

I just hope one day you don't wake up and see a wolf at the door, and wonder where the sheep dogs are.


And if you think people CC because they are afraid, then you just don't get it. I am not afraid, I carry because I've seen the wolf and will make sure I am between it and the Sheep. Just say thank you to the people keeping you and your family safe since you don't have the fortitude to do it.

[SMK Shoe]

Wow, I guess if you can't come up with a good defense of your position, just cuss a lot. Of you three articles you linked to, Non of them show violent crime is worse in the country. Yea, more deaths from accidents in the country but since we drive more, actually work with equipment. thats to be expected. Just because it was a youths model does NOT mean he didn't have to go thru the same process to purchase. How about we put the blame where it belongs, To a dumb ass father that let his son have a "youth Shotgun" in his bedroom unsupervised. And a 11 year old kid that shot a pregnant women in the back of the head while she was in bed.
Dude, I really don't want to argue with you anymore on this. You have one article and a complete lack of reasons skills. Swearing and going to extremes shows that you will NOT even listen to another point of view. I have actually been double checking what I thought and read the articles that you linked just incase there was a flaw in my thinking.
I can say my daughter from a young age knew how to handle guns and shoot. Neither of us were much for hunting but do both enjoy shooting.
I guess raising her right kept her from deciding to kill someone.
Oh, and where do guns come from you say, seems you hinted that they come from the city since that's where CRIMINALS steel them from.
I guess trampling on everyone rights because some father didn't raise his kid right or teach him firearm basics, we should all loose our rights. I guess you are going to get rid of you Boxster because some idiot crashed his into a second floor and killed his passenger. Only right, Huh
But you are right on ONE thing, I am tired of dealing with you, Did enjoy trying to see you side of the debate, but I am to much of a conservative and don't align with the Nazi theology. they started with gun registration too.
Have a blessed holiday season
and if you know anyone from the south you'll understand this
"Bless your heart"

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

and if you know anyone from the south you'll understand this
"Bless your heart"

Whatever.

And if you're ever seen Semi Pro, you'll understand this:

Jive turkey!

[dghii]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

Wow, I guess if you can't come up with a good defense of your position, just cuss a lot. Of you three articles you linked to, Non of them show violent crime is worse in the country. Yea, more deaths from accidents in the country but since we drive more, actually work with equipment. thats to be expected. Just because it was a youths model does NOT mean he didn't have to go thru the same process to purchase. How about we put the blame where it belongs, To a dumb ass father that let his son have a "youth Shotgun" in his bedroom unsupervised. And a 11 year old kid that shot a pregnant women in the back of the head while she was in bed.
Dude, I really don't want to argue with you anymore on this. You have one article and a complete lack of reasons skills. Swearing and going to extremes shows that you will NOT even listen to another point of view. I have actually been double checking what I thought and read the articles that you linked just incase there was a flaw in my thinking.
I can say my daughter from a young age knew how to handle guns and shoot. Neither of us were much for hunting but do both enjoy shooting.
I guess raising her right kept her from deciding to kill someone.
Oh, and where do guns come from you say, seems you hinted that they come from the city since that's where CRIMINALS steel them from.
I guess trampling on everyone rights because some father didn't raise his kid right or teach him firearm basics, we should all loose our rights. I guess you are going to get rid of you Boxster because some idiot crashed his into a second floor and killed his passenger. Only right, Huh
But you are right on ONE thing, I am tired of dealing with you, Did enjoy trying to see you side of the debate, but I am to much of a conservative and don't align with the Nazi theology. they started with gun registration too.
Have a blessed holiday season
and if you know anyone from the south you'll understand this
"Bless your heart"

Thank you for your service.

[SMK Shoe]

Kinda why the 300 Blackout round became so popular. A heavy bullet, subsonic speed. Extremely quite with a can. and can feed thru the AR platform very well.

[dghii]

"Now, let's compare the estrogen hormone in an impossible whopper to the whopper made from hormone implanted beef. The impossible whopper has 44 mg of estrogen and the whopper has 2.5 ng of estrogen. Now let me refresh your metric system. There are 1 million nanograms (ng) in one milligram (mg). That means an impossible whopper has 18 million times as much estrogen as a regular whopper. Just six glasses of soy milk per day has enough estrogen to grow boobs on a male. That's the equivalent of eating four impossible whoppers per day. You would have to eat 880 pounds of beef from an implanted steer to equal the amount of estrogen in one birth control pill.

Yes that's right, an Impossible Burger is giving you enough estrogen to turn you into a woman. In fact, it's way above the oral dose of estradiol that they give to men undergoing hormone replacement therapy to become a woman (the normal dose is 2 to 6 mg per day).

https://www.vnsnychoice.org/sites/default/files/CHOICE%20Treatment%20of%20Gender-Dysphoric%20Persons%20Quick%20Reference%20Guide.pd f

I am firmly convinced that this is not a coincidence. The elites are trying to create a population of passive and compliant men who will do whatever they are told."


Ten years ago, Adam Carolla was spot on...

https://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Years-Well-All-Chicks/dp/B004ADRY5C/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1H9WW4F8B0ZSU&keywords=in+50+years+we%27ll+all+be+chicks&qid=1577768844&sprefix=in+50+ye%2Caps%2C1450&sr=8-1

[maytag]

Nobody on this thread is gonna mention the Texas church incident?

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[Qingdao]

Originally Posted by maytag

Nobody on this thread is gonna mention the Texas church incident?

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Old man was pretty cool under pressure with that pistol shot.


I like how they included the gunman as one of the fatalities. I mean I don't think gunmen are usually included with the victims. Maybe the press just wanted more of a shock effect??

[SMK Shoe]

The snopes article even states that the regulation that President TRUMP did sign to be rescinded was never put into effect and did go thru both chambers of congress and had a majority vote to make it to the Presidents desk. Mental health issues are already suppose to be accessed thru the NICS system. There is a breakdown there that needs to be addressed. Taking weapons away from law abiding citizens is NOT going to fix the problem.

I still believe the analogy between guns and cars and hammers. If a criminal steals a car and uses it to hurt someone, why should we take cars away from law abiding citizens.


"Well Regulated"
To answer the question presented, we must start out by telling you that there are several opinions as to what the meaning of "well regulated militia" actually means. Some think that this means the Army or the Army National Guard in each State, which is regulated basically by the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Others however, believe that this refers to the Militias of the Several States which are made up of all the people within them, citizen soldiers who are well prepared and organized for the exercise of their duty to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
First, none of us could disagree that the term "well" means simply "good". Second, while some disagree as to whether all people or certain volunteers in the National Guard are the "militia", all can accept the fact that this is some assembly of citizen soldiers.

Finally, this leaves us with the ambiguation regarding the word "regulated". We know that this is basically a verb or an action that is in the past, meaning it has been completed or has been done. In the context of the protected right, its safe to say that "A well [blank] militia" is the resulting act completed by "the right of the people to keep and bear arms". Hence, we must ask which definition of "regulate" would be the effect of the people bearing arms?

Here are some definitions for the word, "regulate":

regulate -Merriam Webster's Dictionary (transitive verb)
a : to govern or direct according to rule
b
(1) : to bring under the control of law or constituted authority
(2) : to make regulations for or concerning (regulate the industries of a country)
to bring order, method, or uniformity to (regulate one's habits)
to fix or adjust the time, amount, degree, or rate of (regulate the pressure of a tire)So, how could the people being armed cause the militia to be governed or directed according to rule or law? Well, I guess you could simply say that since the people are the enforcers of law, that the fact that they armed, would enforce that the militia is governed by the rules that they make, since they have the guns. You might also say that we should read only that everybody should have arms in order to meet the obligations necessary should you be called forth according to the rules governing the militia, which makes it good.

If we consider the second definition, its quite plain to see how everyone having arms would mean the militia would be in good order and in fact brought into uniformity, as to what makes a good fighting force, being one which has the effective means to conduct militant actions.

The third definition could also leave you to assume that everyone being armed fixes the time as while the Constitution is in force, and the amount being everyone constitutes what it means for a militia to be well regulated.

In every one of these definitions however, there is no doubt that it involved the people being armed, making it hard for any common sense evaluation of the clause that the government can pick and chose who can or can not be armed. In fact, the words "shall not infringe" could never be more clear as to the intent of the Amendment. Simply, that the government can not break this law.

So, if the government broke this law, the militia would not be well regulated, and the States would not be able to secure freedom. Since the Second Amendment is well known to have the purpose of protecting rights, its practical to assume that those rights would have the intent and the design to secure those rights, and that rights are freedoms. This Amendment therefore says that this freedom is protected by all of the people who can bear arms in order to secure this liberty, providing them with the capability to doing so. This capability is what makes the militia in good proper order and uniformity, thus the riddle behind the meaning is fully resolved.
A "Well Regulated" American Militia is the entire population free to possess arms in order to secure the liberty of the place in which they live, in their own homes, in their communities across each State and ultimately encompassing the entire nation.

Without any Amendment to the contrary, this means that the militia must contain every person capable of bearing arms. Just who is capable or authorized? The people, which are every individual which make up each one of these United States, who in accordance with the rights granted by the laws of nature and force of arms may fully execute their sovereign authority over their domain to secure liberty, period!

[SMK Shoe]

Wow, I can't even try to reason with you piper. You are a mouth piece for CNN and MSNBC. I was actually starting to enjoy the back and forth, but you are off the rails. Reading what you post is like the talking points for the media. Yea, Odumbo care is so cheap, Really more expensive than any private plan, just the tax payers cover the majority of the premiums.
You like to insult the sitting president, anyone here that doesn't think the same as you. Don't even read and respond to items posted in response to yours. When I hear about people with Trump Derangement syndrome, figured it really isn't that bad. Well, after the last week or so I believe it is that bad.
You keep beating your drum about gun control, mind control, Odumbo care, and whatever else floats your boat. Please stay up there in PA. because down here we have people trying to fix things, not just repeat talking points. Hope your brain doesn't explode when PRESIDENT TRUMP gets reelected. Please tell us how any of the communist/socialist that you support will do things.

Please get some mental help, the hate you have is gonna destroy you.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

Wow, I can't even try to reason with you piper. You are a mouth piece for CNN and MSNBC. I was actually starting to enjoy the back and forth, but you are off the rails. Reading what you post is like the talking points for the media. Yea, Odumbo care is so cheap, Really more expensive than any private plan, just the tax payers cover the majority of the premiums.
You like to insult the sitting president, anyone here that doesn't think the same as you. Don't even read and respond to items posted in response to yours. When I hear about people with Trump Derangement syndrome, figured it really isn't that bad. Well, after the last week or so I believe it is that bad.
You keep beating your drum about gun control, mind control, Odumbo care, and whatever else floats your boat. Please stay up there in PA. because down here we have people trying to fix things, not just repeat talking points. Hope your brain doesn't explode when PRESIDENT TRUMP gets reelected. Please tell us how any of the communist/socialist that you support will do things.

Please get some mental help, the hate you have is gonna destroy you.

Wow! Seriously? What set you off? You're the one that brought up Obamacare in the first place. Name something I said that wasn't true. Sorry that the facts offend you.



P.S.
Rump will not get re-elected. He lost the popular vote the first time and he'll lose by more and lose the electoral college the second time. I had TDS, when I voted for him. And I know there are many like me who got duped into giving him a try but have since then caught on to his con game. Fool me once...

[maytag]

Watch it....
I brought this thread into the world, and I can take it out....

Actually.... not sure if i can.
But in the spirit of the new year, please accept my plea for Kumbaya.

Piper, I've learned to read your messages, which tend to be inflammatory, as if you were in front of me, with a ****************-eating grin on your face because you're TRYING to push my buttons, and enjoying that you can. ;-) I'd suggest this method to some others here, as well.

I'd appeal to our commonalities here, recognizing that none of us are stupid, and that the differences in our lifes' experiences and education can shape our outlook on policies. We can disagree with someone and still respect their intellect and intention.

Yes.... this is a "can't we ask just get along?" Post.



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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Watch it....
I brought this thread into the world, and I can take it out....

Actually.... not sure if i can.
But in the spirit of the new year, please accept my plea for Kumbaya.

Piper, I've learned to read your messages, which tend to be inflammatory, as if you were in front of me, with a ****************-eating grin on your face because you're TRYING to push my buttons, and enjoying that you can. ;-) I'd suggest this method to some others here, as well.

I'd appeal to our commonalities here, recognizing that none of us are stupid, and that the differences in our lifes' experiences and education can shape our outlook on policies. We can disagree with someone and still respect their intellect and intention.

Yes.... this is a "can't we ask just get along?" Post.



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Thanks for being the adult in the room, Maytag.

Honestly, I don't mean to "push buttons", and if I came across that way I apologize.

I do, however, like to get my point across. And sometimes, it can come across a bit abrasive. Not intentional. Just passionate argument.

I really don't know what set off SMK Shoe in post 73. Do you?

Shoe, I don't know what set you off, but I meant nothing personal. If something I wrote offended you, I apologize and please let me know what it was so to avoid future mistakes.

[DoninDel]

Originally Posted by maytag

Watch it....
I brought this thread into the world, and I can take it out....

Actually.... not sure if i can.
But in the spirit of the new year, please accept my plea for Kumbaya.

Piper, I've learned to read your messages, which tend to be inflammatory, as if you were in front of me, with a ****************-eating grin on your face because you're TRYING to push my buttons, and enjoying that you can. ;-) I'd suggest this method to some others here, as well.

I'd appeal to our commonalities here, recognizing that none of us are stupid, and that the differences in our lifes' experiences and education can shape our outlook on policies. We can disagree with someone and still respect their intellect and intention.

Yes.... this is a "can't we ask just get along?" Post.

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I appreciate your sentiment, and agree.
I used to argue every day at work with a guy who was my political opposite. One day, he said "I bet you hate me because we are always at odds." I answered, "No I respect you. I think you are wrong, but at least you care and are willing to defend what you think - who I hate are the aprox. HALF of the people who are too lazy to vote."
Giving thought is always better than being thoughtless.

[maytag]

Are y'all getting the same ads I am in this thread? Hahahaha

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Are y'all getting the same ads I am in this thread? Hahahaha

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WOW! No. I'm just getting Pelican Parts ads. But then I'm on a PC with cookies blocked, not on a phone, if that makes any difference.

[all_mota]

Wait.. so this is what happened to our popular gun thread?!

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by all_mota

Wait.. so this is what happened to our popular gun thread?!

As a California Bail bonds agent I am authorized to carry concealed weapons while in pursuit of a bail jumper.

I take my H&k combat shotgun with 7 12ga capacity mag., My 9mm Glock & my COP.357

[Starter986]

As a subscriber to "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" and "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" I just conceal, and quite nicely. When **************** hits the fan I'll take my lumps.