Gun discussion. So piper6069 can let the other thread be.

[Qingdao]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

Within the United States, one must be at least 18 years old in order to purchase shotguns, rifles, and ammunition, and at least 21 years old to purchase all other firearms. Some people may be restricted from owning firearms, such as individuals who have been dishonorably discharged from the military or tourists. Guns must be sold through licensed dealers, and purchasers must undergo a background check.

Not too long ago, in my high school years, 15 year olds could own shotguns. Lots of the guys had racks in the back windows of their trucks.


I was supper surprised when it came up at work a few weeks ago about the new background checking when purchasing firearms. All the guys at work wanna get CCW licenses so they don't have to have a waiting period. I am just shock at how much unnecessary and intrusive regulation has come about in 15 years. I guess I need to get my head out of the sand and start talking to representatives… maybe before violent revolts start we can stop these regulations.

And yeah apparently you can't just walk into a gunshow and buy a firearm cash and pick up a box of ammo on the way out the door. terrible

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

Seems like once you get out of the democrats control big cities, violent crime goes way down.
So, lets talk big cities with big crime rates. Seems like the cities with the strict gun control laws on the books are the worst cities to live in. Chicago, Baltimore, New York, Los Angles, Detroit. Maybe if they changed the laws and made it really, really, really illegal, the criminals would follow the law then.

Where do you think the guns come from? From areas where it's easy to get guns. Where do you think the Mexican drug cartels get their guns? They are legally bought in the US because it's so ****************ing easy.

Regarding the crime rates in big cities: Duh, there is a higher concentration of people in cities VS rural areas, so you'll have a higher concentration of crimes. When you measure per-capita, it equals out. Or maybe better for cities.

http://science.time.com/2013/07/23/in-town-versus-country-it-turns-out-that-cities-are-the-safest-places-to-live/
https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/14/rural-violent-crime-rate-rises-above-u-s-average/
https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf

Here's the case of the 11 year old kid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Brown_case

Nowhere does it say that it was illegal for his father to gift him the gun. It's a "youth model" gun. Which means those types of guns don't need to be registered. We're not talking about cork or cap guns, these are real ****************ing guns that use real ************************ ammo.

If you don't think that's ****************ing insane I have nothing to say to you anymore on this matter.

Same of the other anarchist "our government is out to get you" tin foil hat conspiracy theorist that's on this thread.

I have an idea, let's give our children "youth model" cars so they can drive themselves to kindergarten! Or youth model butcher knives, or "youth model" blast-charge nail guns, or "youth model" bottles of rum!

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Same of the other anarchist "our government is out to get you" tin foil hat conspiracy theorist that's on this thread.!

Piper... I don't wear that hat, but I do know "our government is out to get you". I don't know what you're reading, but it's plain as day... it's not a big secret if you connect all the dots (to which I won't get into on this forum).

I must ask, how old are you? I ask this because I've found that certain ages don't subscribe to the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories. One of my sons discovered what "really is going on" about 15 years ago... and now schools me.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas!

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Piper... I don't wear that hat, but I do know "our government is out to get you". I don't know what you're reading, but it's plain as day... it's not a big secret if you connect all the dots (to which I won't get into on this forum).

I must ask, how old are you? I ask this because I've found that certain ages don't subscribe to the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories. One of my sons discovered what "really is going on" about 15 years ago... and now schools me.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas!

I did, thank you, and I hope you did as well. And I wish you and everyone on here a happy, healthy New Year!

I'm 54.

P.S. When I said tin foil hat, I wasn't referring to you.

There's a lot of stuff out there designed to spread disinformation and foment distrust and division. Look up the guy who went into a pizza shop in DC because he thought Hillary Clinton was running a child porn ring out of the basement. I think he was listening to Alex Jones and InfoWars. And there are too many others to mention here.

I still believe that government is of, by and for the people. That's American Exceptionalism. The government is us. But it is our duty to keep ourselves informed and not become susceptible to propaganda. Foreign or domestic, Left- or Right-wing.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I did, thank you, and I hope you did as well. And I wish you and everyone on here a happy, healthy New Year!

I'm 54.

P.S. When I said tin foil hat, I wasn't referring to you.

There's a lot of stuff out there designed to spread disinformation and foment distrust and division. Look up the guy who went into a pizza shop in DC because he thought Hillary Clinton was running a child porn ring out of the basement. I think he was listening to Alex Jones and InfoWars. And there are too many others to mention here.

I still believe that government is of, by and for the people. That's American Exceptionalism. The government is us. But it is our duty to keep ourselves informed and not become susceptible to propaganda. Foreign or domestic, Left- or Right-wing.

Oh, no. I wasn't suggesting that you were referring to me. I was saying, in a roundabout way, that while I don't wear a tinfoil hat... over the last few years that I've opened my eyes... I see where we as a planet are headed... and am thankful that I won't be around to witness the Soylent Green/Minority Report type future that I believe is where we're headed.

Division and distrust? Oh, yeah. It's nothing new, and was orchestrated many years ago. You're familiar with the UN 2030 Agenda? I prefer the "Layman's Terms"...

I. The United Nations 2030 Agenda decoded: It’s a blueprint for the global enslavement of humanity under the boot of corporate masters

Friday, September 04, 2015
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger

(NaturalNews) This week, Michael Snyder published an important article entitled The 2030 Agenda: This Month The UN Launches A Blueprint For A New World Order With The Help Of The Pope.

That article references this UN “2030 Agenda” document that pushes a blueprint for so-called “sustainable development” around the world.

This document describes nothing less than a global government takeover of every nation across the planet. The “goals” of this document are nothing more than code words for a corporate-government fascist agenda that will imprison humanity in a devastating cycle of poverty while enriching the world’s most powerful globalist corporations like Monsanto and DuPont.

In the interests of helping wake up humanity, I’ve decided to translate the 17 points of this 2030 agenda so that readers everywhere can understand what this document is really calling for. To perform this translation, you have to understand how globalists disguise their monopolistic agendas in “feel good” language.

Here’s the point-by-point translation. Notice carefully that nowhere does this document state that “achieving human freedom” is one of its goals. Nor does it explain HOW these goals are to be achieved. As you’ll see here, every single point in this UN agenda is to be achieved through centralized government control and totalitarian mandates that resemble communism.

Translation of the UN’s “2030 Agenda blueprint for globalist government” (controlled by corporate interests)

Goal 1) End poverty in all its forms everywhere

Translation: Put everyone on government welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies and handouts that make them obedient slaves to global government. Never allow people upward mobility to help themselves. Instead, teach mass victimization and obedience to a government that provides monthly “allowance” money for basic essentials like food and medicine. Label it “ending poverty.”

Goal 2) End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture

Translation: Invade the entire planet with GMOs and Monsanto’s patented seeds while increasing the use of deadly herbicides under the false claim of “increased output” of food crops. Engineer genetically modified plants to boost specific vitamin chemicals while having no idea of the long-term consequences of genetic pollution or cross-species genetic experiments carried out openly in a fragile ecosystem.

Goal 3) Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages

Translation: Mandate 100+ vaccines for all children and adults at gunpoint, threatening parents with arrest and imprisonment if they refuse to cooperate. Push heavy medication use on children and teens while rolling out “screening” programs. Call mass medication “prevention” programs and claim they improve the health of citizens.

Goal 4) Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all

Translation: Push a false history and a dumbed-down education under “Common Core” education standards that produce obedient workers rather than independent thinkers. Never let people learn real history, or else they might realize they don’t want to repeat it.

Goal 5) Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls

Translation: Criminalize Christianity, marginalize heterosexuality, demonize males and promote the LGBT agenda everywhere. The real goal is never “equality” but rather the marginalization and shaming of anyone who expresses any male characteristics whatsoever. The ultimate goal is to feminize society, creating widespread acceptance of “gentle obedience” along with the self-weakening ideas of communal property and “sharing” everything. Because only male energy has the strength to rise up against oppression and fight for human rights, the suppression of male energy is key to keeping the population in a state of eternal acquiescence.

Goal 6) Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all

Translation: Allow powerful corporations to seize control of the world’s water supplies and charge monopoly prices to “build new water delivery infrastructure” that “ensures availability.”

Goal 7) Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all

Translation: Penalize coal, gas and oil while pushing doomed-to-fail “green” energy subsidies to brain-dead startups headed by friends of the White House who all go bankrupt in five years or less. The green startups make for impressive speeches and media coverage, but because these companies are led by corrupt idiots rather than capable entrepreneurs, they always go broke. (And the media hopes you don’t remember all the fanfare surrounding their original launch.)

Goal 8) Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all

Translation: Regulate small business out of existence with government-mandated minimum wages that bankrupt entire sectors of the economy. Force employers to meet hiring quotas of LGBT workers while mandating wage tiers under a centrally planned work economy dictated by the government. Destroy free market economics and deny permits and licenses to those companies that don’t obey government dictates.

Goal 9) Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation

Translation: Put nations into extreme debt with the World Bank, spending debt money to hire corrupt American corporations to build large-scale infrastructure projects that trap developing nations in an endless spiral of debt. See the book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins to understand the details of how this scheme has been repeated countless times over the last several decades.

Goal 10) Reduce inequality within and among countries

Translation: Punish the rich, the entrepreneurs and the innovators, confiscating nearly all gains by those who choose to work and excel. Redistribute the confiscated wealth to the masses of non-working human parasites that feed off a productive economy while contributing nothing to it… all while screaming about “equality!”

Goal 11) Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable

Translation: Ban all gun ownership by private citizens, concentrating guns into the hands of obedient government enforcers who rule over an unarmed, enslaved class of impoverished workers. Criminalize living in most rural areas by instituting Hunger Games-style “protected areas” which the government will claim are owned by “the People” even though no people are allowed to live there. Force all humans into densely packed, tightly controlled cities where they are under 24/7 surveillance and subject to easy manipulation by government.

Goal 12) Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns

Translation: Begin levying punitive taxes on the consumption of fossil fuels and electricity, forcing people to live under conditions of worsening standards of living that increasingly resemble Third World conditions. Use social influence campaigns in TV, movies and social media to shame people who use gasoline, water or electricity, establishing a social construct of ninnies and tattlers who rat out their neighbors in exchange for food credit rewards.

Goal 13) Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts

Translation: Set energy consumption quotas on each human being and start punishing or even criminalizing “lifestyle decisions” that exceed energy usage limits set by governments. Institute total surveillance of individuals in order to track and calculate their energy consumption. Penalize private vehicle ownership and force the masses onto public transit, where TSA grunts and facial recognition cameras can monitor and record the movement of every person in society, like a scene ripped right out of Minority Report.

Goal 14) Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development

Translation: Ban most ocean fishing, plunging the food supply into an extreme shortage and causing runaway food price inflation that puts even more people into economic desperation. Criminalize the operation of private fishing vessels and place all ocean fishing operations under the control of government central planning. Only allow favored corporations to conduct ocean fishing operations (and make this decision based entirely on which corporations give the most campaign contributions to corrupt lawmakers).

Goal 15) Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss

Translation: Roll out Agenda 21 and force humans off the land and into controlled cities. Criminalize private land ownership, including ranches and agricultural tracts. Tightly control all agriculture through a corporate-corrupted government bureaucracy whose policies are determined almost entirely by Monsanto while being rubber-stamped by the USDA. Ban woodstoves, rainwater collection and home gardening in order to criminalize self-reliance and force total dependence on government.

Goal 16) Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels

Translation: Grant legal immunity to illegal aliens and “protected” minority groups, which will be free to engage in any illegal activity — including openly calling for the mass murder of police officers — because they are the new protected class in society. “Inclusive institutions” means granting favorable tax structures and government grants to corporations that hire LGBT workers or whatever groups are currently in favor with the central planners in government. Use the IRS and other federal agencies to selectively punish unfavorable groups with punitive audits and regulatory harassment, all while ignoring the criminal activities of favored corporations that are friends of the political elite.

Goal 17) Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

Translation: Enact global trade mandates that override national laws while granting unrestricted imperialism powers to companies like Monsanto, Dow Chemical, RJ Reynolds, Coca-Cola and Merck. Pass global trade pacts that bypass a nation’s lawmakers and override intellectual property laws to make sure the world’s most powerful corporations maintain total monopolies over drugs, seeds, chemicals and technology. Nullify national laws and demand total global obedience to trade agreements authored by powerful corporations and rubber-stamped by the UN.

Total enslavement of the planet by 2030

As the UN document says, “We commit ourselves to working tirelessly for the full implementation of this Agenda by 2030.”

If you read the full document and can read beyond the fluffery and public relations phrases, you’ll quickly realize that this UN agenda is going to be forced upon all the citizens of the world through the invocation of government coercion. Nowhere does this document state that the rights of the individual will be protected. Nor does it even acknowledge the existence of human rights granted to individuals by the Creator. Even the so-called “Universal Declaration of Human Rights” utterly denies individuals the right to self defense, the right to medical choice and the right to parental control over their own children.

The UN is planning nothing less than a global government tyranny that enslaves all of humanity while calling the scheme “sustainable development” and “equality.”

1984 has finally arrived. And of course it’s all being rolled out under the fraudulent label of “progress.”

[Qingdao]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I did, thank you, and I hope you did as well. And I wish you and everyone on here a happy, healthy New Year!

I'm 54.

P.S. When I said tin foil hat, I wasn't referring to you.

LOL its me. hehe


I keep the tin foil hat polished




As for "goal number 1" Adam Smith wrote [we can find equality in poverty] Seems to be what everyone wants.


Speaking of the tinfoil hat. I wanted to make a word for word quote from "the wealth of nations"; so I turned to everyone's friend google. And man it has some twisted way's of interpreting Adam Smith. Google search it for a good laugh, then read the actual text for the real info.

[Qingdao]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Where do you think the guns come from? From areas where it's easy to get guns. Where do you think the Mexican drug cartels get their guns? They are legally bought in the US because it's so ****************ing easy.

Regarding the crime rates in big cities: Duh, there is a higher concentration of people in cities VS rural areas, so you'll have a higher concentration of crimes. When you measure per-capita, it equals out. Or maybe better for cities.

Study Shows That Cities Are Safer Than Rural Areas, Despite Crime | TIME.com
https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/14/rural-violent-crime-rate-rises-above-u-s-average/
https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf

Here's the case of the 11 year old kid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Brown_case

Nowhere does it say that it was illegal for his father to gift him the gun. It's a "youth model" gun. Which means those types of guns don't need to be registered. We're not talking about cork or cap guns, these are real ****************ing guns that use real ************************ ammo.

If you don't think that's ****************ing insane I have nothing to say to you anymore on this matter.

Same of the other anarchist "our government is out to get you" tin foil hat conspiracy theorist that's on this thread.

I have an idea, let's give our children "youth model" cars so they can drive themselves to kindergarten! Or youth model butcher knives, or "youth model" blast-charge nail guns, or "youth model" bottles of rum!

If I was a cartel leader I'd find a poor Russian brass with a big store house of Kalashnikovs because that would be WAAAAAAAAAY cheaper than retail market US guns.

We do have youth model cars... they're called bikes; I rode them to school.

They had youth model cigarettes. But they were made out of what wanted to be gum.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Qingdao

We do have youth model cars... they're called bikes; I rode them to school.

They had youth model cigarettes. But they were made out of what wanted to be gum.

In no way do those compare to youth-model guns, which are ACTUAL guns that use ACTUAL ammo. Obviously the "quotes" in "youth model" went over your head.

[Qingdao]

Originally Posted by piper6909

In no way do those compare to youth-model guns, which are ACTUAL guns that use ACTUAL ammo. Obviously the "quotes" in "youth model" went over your head.

Bicycles cover actual ground.

Candy cigarettes come in actual packs of 20.

Its called advertising. Don't get angry at the product; get angry at marketing.

[DoninDel]

MY $.02.
No loaded guns in public areas. Period. No open carry, no concealed carry.
Any gun carried in public must be unloaded, magazines empty.
On private property you can have your loaded gun.
If you are in an apartment, you can have a loaded gun in the apartment, but not take it into the hall loaded.
A property owner can declare their property a 'loaded guns okay' area or 'no guns - loaded or unloaded' area.
Public hunting grounds - you drive there with guns unloaded, load, hunt, reverse steps after hunting.


Of course it won't stop all shootings - I can't think of anything that would.
It would allow police to stop anyone carrying a gun and inspect it to ensure it is unloaded. Magazines unloaded would take time to load.

Think of any other civilized country where people can parade around with loaded guns...
We have become used to seeing guns among us - we shouldn't.

BTW - I was in Marines in 'Nam - most of my time I was under orders to wear a helmet and flak jacket and have a loaded weapon with me at all times - I don't want America to be like that, not fond memories...

[maytag]

Originally Posted by DoninDel

Of course it won't stop all shootings - I can't think of anything that would.

It would allow police to stop anyone carrying a gun and inspect it to ensure it is unloaded. Magazines unloaded would take time to load.

Reasonable comments. I disagree with most of it, but reasonable nonetheless.

I'd challenge the phrase above, though.
Can you think of EVEN ONE shooting this would've stopped? I'm unaware of ANY situation where a shooting has occurred and later we said "if only we'd stopped him when we saw him carrying that gun on the way there!". Or even more: "at least we could've checked that the bullets were in his pockets!"

One obvious thing that it seems we frequently miss in these conversations: it is already against the law to kill someone. It's already against the law in most states to even "brandish", except in self defense. I'm completely unaware of any situation where all laws were followed up to the point of the actual shooting. The truth is that the shooter has already broken many laws, long before he pulls that trigger. Why will more laws make a difference?

As I said in the first post of this thread: I'm in favor of "common sense laws". But common sense to me means something that will, in fact, demonstrably make an impact in the fight against senseless killings. I am decidedly NOT in favor of "feel good" laws, or knee- jerk "solutions".
Show me it'll work, I'm all for it.

Remember, these comments come from a non- enthusiast. I go to a range every 5 years or so, and the rest of the time the guns are in the closet. Im not a guy who thinks I'll someday need that gun to defend myself from a tyrannical government. I'm not a guy who thinks I'll need it for self defense. I have a large axe handle at each door for that. ;-) but I am a staunch defender of civil liberties.... and I think every internal-combustion-enthusiast would understand that. Because Al Gore and AOC would do away with our hobby in a hurry, given an opportunity.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

[DoninDel]

Originally Posted by maytag

Reasonable comments. I disagree with most of it, but reasonable nonetheless.

I'd challenge the phrase above, though.
Can you think of EVEN ONE shooting this would've stopped? I'm unaware of ANY situation where a shooting has occurred and later we said "if only we'd stopped him when we saw him carrying that gun on the way there!". Or even more: "at least we could've checked that the bullets were in his pockets!"

One obvious thing that it seems we frequently miss in these conversations: it is already against the law to kill someone. It's already against the law in most states to even "brandish", except in self defense. I'm completely unaware of any situation where all laws were followed up to the point of the actual shooting. The truth is that the shooter has already broken many laws, long before he pulls that trigger. Why will more laws make a difference?

As I said in the first post of this thread: I'm in favor of "common sense laws". But common sense to me means something that will, in fact, demonstrably make an impact in the fight against senseless killings. I am decidedly NOT in favor of "feel good" laws, or knee- jerk "solutions".
Show me it'll work, I'm all for it.

Remember, these comments come from a non- enthusiast. I go to a range every 5 years or so, and the rest of the time the guns are in the closet. Im not a guy who thinks I'll someday need that gun to defend myself from a tyrannical government. I'm not a guy who thinks I'll need it for self defense. I have a large axe handle at each door for that. ;-) but I am a staunch defender of civil liberties.... and I think every internal-combustion-enthusiast would understand that. Because Al Gore and AOC would do away with our hobby in a hurry, given an opportunity.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

My thoughts are that we have become WAY too comfortable with seeing guns in public. We are unique among civilized nations in that, and I believe there is a connection. Guns are regarded as a solution here, other nations see them as a problem.
My $.02

[paulofto]

Originally Posted by DoninDel

Guns are regarded as a solution here, other nations see them as a problem.
My $.02

From a neighbour to the North of you I couldn't agree more. Your opinion is worth way more than 2 cents and it is refreshing to hear it.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by DoninDel

My thoughts are that we have become WAY too comfortable with seeing guns in public. We are unique among civilized nations in that, and I believe there is a connection. Guns are regarded as a solution here, other nations see them as a problem.

My $.02

Huh.
So, this is diametrically opposed to my own experience.

What -I- see, is that we have demonized guns to the point that we can't admit at work that we're owners, for fear of excoriation. I rarely / never see guns in public. I know some who conceal / carry, but they're very, very low key. If thet aren't, they're accosted by activists everywhere they go. Mothers shield their children from their view if a LEO walks in with his sidearm exposed.

This is directly opposite of what my generation experienced, and probably yours too? We all had guns to go plinking with. In my state and those around mine, every year kids got out of school for ther deer hunt. (We called it UEA, but we all knew what it was for). Several weeks prior to this, every adolescent Male was at the range with dad and grandpa, sighting 'em in.

And there were no shootings in the news.

I don't see any indication that we have become "....way too comfortable seeing guns in public...".
Just the opposite, frankly.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

[SMK Shoe]

Originally Posted by DoninDel

MY $.02.

On private property you can have your loaded gun.
Usually don't have to defend myself on my own property
If you are in an apartment, you can have a loaded gun in the apartment, but not take it into the hall loaded.
So because someone can't/don't want to own property they are not allowed to defend themselves
A property owner can declare their property a 'loaded guns okay' area or 'no guns - loaded or unloaded' area.
Agree 100%, property owners should be allowed to determine if you can/can't carry a weapon on the property. Then I can decide if I will/won't be on the property


Of course it won't stop all shootings - I can't think of anything that would.
So you want everyone other than the shooter to be disarmed.
It would allow police to stop anyone carrying a gun and inspect it to ensure it is unloaded. Magazines unloaded would take time to load.
So you are all for the police to stop a law abiding citizen just to check if they have a weapon and if so it's unloaded. Sounds like a police state to me. What other rights are you willing to give up to feel safer


BTW - I was in Marines in 'Nam - most of my time I was under orders to wear a helmet and flak jacket and have a loaded weapon with me at all times - I don't want America to be like that, not fond memories...

So you don't want to have a weapon to defend yourself.
BTW, US paratrooper. Desert Shield/Storm 1990/1991
OIF. 2002-2003
OIF 2005-2006
OIF. 2008-2009
OEF. 2010-2011
Glad I had a weapon/weapons with me the whole time, and glad I live in a state where I can still carry if wanted/needed

If you don't want to carry/don't feel you are responsible enough carry, That's fine. But don't take my right away to be able to defend my family/country if needed.

[Nine8Six]

I think most of you folks would have a shock coming to China. Zero weapons here, not only banned hard but absolutely no love or wish for them or anything that resemble or is engineered to terminate life for that same matter *total peace*.

The cops don't even have guns on them; responding officers, traffic police, the whole lot are gun-less. Does it make it more dangerous or risky? Absolutely not, safest country you can be in to be honest, anywhere, 24/7, public places, around the clock, anywhere really.

Do China have armed swat teams and special ops? of course they do, although deployed once or twice per year and probably just for training & show-off (e.g. during a major event, parade, terrorism prevention, etc).

ps: a rare incident happened only a few weeks ago where an 57 y/old chap was waving a long knife in public, he did not comply, tried to ran and they had no choice to shoot him in a leg with a rubber bullet. That news made country-wide 'major' shame on the police force for doing so, the 'boo hoo' was everywhere. Not sure they will ever attempt something like this ever again, it went really wrong for cops lol

Anyway... thought I'd share how this guns and personal security thing pans out in another place of the world

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by Nine8Six

I think most of you folks would have a shock coming to China. Zero weapons here, not only banned hard but absolutely no love or wish for them or anything that resemble or is engineered to terminate life for that same matter *total peace*.

The cops don't even have guns on them; responding officers, traffic police, the whole lot are gun-less. Does it make it more dangerous or risky? Absolutely not, safest country you can be in to be honest, anywhere, 24/7, public places, around the clock, anywhere really.

Do China have armed swat teams and special ops? of course they do, although deployed once or twice per year and probably just for training & show-off (e.g. during a major event, parade, terrorism prevention, etc).

ps: a rare incident happened only a few weeks ago where an 57 y/old chap was waving a long knife in public, he did not comply, tried to ran and they had no choice to shoot him in a leg with a rubber bullet. That news made country-wide 'major' shame on the police force for doing so, the 'boo hoo' was everywhere. Not sure they will ever attempt something like this ever again, it went really wrong for cops lol

Anyway... thought I'd share how this guns and personal security thing pans out in another place of the world

LOL, China. That's where I'm going when the doc gives me however many months to live. If it isn't an escalator or elevator that eats me likely I'll get run over by an idiot... smashed by a cement truck taking a corner too fast... or crushed by a building facade that falls off.

Yeah... no guns... but **************** do they like to kill with swords, knives, and machetes. Pffffft.

Welcome back.

And SMK and Maytag: You fellas are right on point. It's called the RIGHT to bear arms... not the privelege.

SMK... thank you so very much for your service, Sir.

The rest of you: Happy New Year.

[SMK Shoe]

Originally Posted by Nine8Six

I think most of you folks would have a shock coming to China. Zero weapons here, not only banned hard but absolutely no love or wish for them or anything that resemble or is engineered to terminate life for that same matter *total peace*.

The cops don't even have guns on them; responding officers, traffic police, the whole lot are gun-less. Does it make it more dangerous or risky? Absolutely not, safest country you can be in to be honest, anywhere, 24/7, public places, around the clock, anywhere really.

Do China have armed swat teams and special ops? of course they do, although deployed once or twice per year and probably just for training & show-off (e.g. during a major event, parade, terrorism prevention, etc).

ps: a rare incident happened only a few weeks ago where an 57 y/old chap was waving a long knife in public, he did not comply, tried to ran and they had no choice to shoot him in a leg with a rubber bullet. That news made country-wide 'major' shame on the police force for doing so, the 'boo hoo' was everywhere. Not sure they will ever attempt something like this ever again, it went really wrong for cops lol

Anyway... thought I'd share how this guns and personal security thing pans out in another place of the world

I'll agree that the REPORTED homicide numbers for china are low per million( because we know china is 100% truthful). But you are incorrect that the are no weapons in china. It is estimated that there are over 49,735,000 weapons in china. Also china has the 2nd largest possession of small arms for the govt.

So, we should be like china, give up our civil rights to be peasants for the country. Because china is such a supporter of civil rights ( as long as you think and do exactly like the govt tells you to.) You volunteerly gave up your rights in Canada, how's that working for you. and, china 's numbers for Murdered citizens is higher than the US. It is lower when you figure per million people, BUT still don't know how much safer it is when 13,410 murders happen a year.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by Nine8Six

I think most of you folks would have a shock coming to China. Zero weapons here, not only banned hard but absolutely no love or wish for them or anything that resemble or is engineered to terminate life for that same matter *total peace*.



The cops don't even have guns on them; responding officers, traffic police, the whole lot are gun-less. Does it make it more dangerous or risky? Absolutely not, safest country you can be in to be honest, anywhere, 24/7, public places, around the clock, anywhere really.



Do China have armed swat teams and special ops? of course they do, although deployed once or twice per year and probably just for training & show-off (e.g. during a major event, parade, terrorism prevention, etc).



ps: a rare incident happened only a few weeks ago where an 57 y/old chap was waving a long knife in public, he did not comply, tried to ran and they had no choice to shoot him in a leg with a rubber bullet. That news made country-wide 'major' shame on the police force for doing so, the 'boo hoo' was everywhere. Not sure they will ever attempt something like this ever again, it went really wrong for cops lol



Anyway... thought I'd share how this guns and personal security thing pans out in another place of the world

Do you wonder, (i do) if China would have a better record vis-a-vis human rights violations, if their citizenry were armed? I'm sorry, but generally speaking, China is a bad example to emulate for something like this.

But I think there's still soone meat on that bone that we can gnaw on.
I think there's a culture problem in America, too. In the last 50 years or so, we've gone from a country where most of the pickup trucks in the high school parking lot carried a loaded shotgun in the rack, yet there were very few incidents, to a country where guns are prohibited nearly everywhere, and we have shootings daily. Again..... it seems to be a culture problem, not a gun problem.

But let's look further into the china comparison. Let's say it was determined that we are going to "hard ban" guns, as you described? Picture that for a moment. You're going to need a method of gathering them all up. And where will they start? Of course: the law-abiding folks. The "bad guys" will become more brazen, because they'll recognize they're the only ones still armed. But we'll spend a fortune prosecuting as criminals, those citizens who decide to lie and keep a gun for protection. We criminalize the good guys, then. But worse? We start a revolution. Because trust me when I tell you that most of the mid-west and the other red states will say "come pry this gun from my cold dead fingers".
I can think of another country that went around and collected their citizens guns..... that whole thing ended in concentration camps.
I'm sorry, for better or worse, guns are here to stay in America.

That doesn't mean we can't find meaningful ways to regulate them. But that's swatting at the leaves: we need to cut down the problem at the trunk.

As Americans, we must ask ourselves: what is different in society from 50 or 75 years ago, when shootings almost never happened? This is a conversation that'll very quickly become inflamed and personal. But nothing good is ever easy. Let's start at the very basic unit of American society: the family. What is different now than it was then? How about at school?

I think we can learn some things we probably don't really want to know.... but must. If we're just willing to ask the hard questions and answer them honestly.

But asking today's Americans to "dig deep", to be honest with themselves even if it hurts, to actually look at truth, instead of "my truth, your truth", yeaaaahhhh........ not gonna happen either.

We're on a train that's run out of tracks. It's only a matter of time before it crashes catastrophically.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

[DoninDel]

Originally Posted by SMK Shoe

So you are all for the police to stop a law abiding citizen just to check if they have a weapon and if so it's unloaded. Sounds like a police state to me. What other rights are you willing to give up to feel safer

How is that different from a cop pulling you over and asking for license and registration?

I worked in Manhattan for years and YOU are the one going thru life in fear???