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particlewave 06-14-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BFeller (Post 405601)
I purchased a used set of headlights. I opened the backs of the lights because they were rattling and found that each light had an HID kit installed. The rattling came from ballasts which were lose inside cover that seals the access to the bulbs. It looked like the weight of the ballasts had knocked the light buckets off the pivot ball. Also the seal on one light was mush. Thursday was spent polishing the yellowed and gunk-ed up lenses. They now are looking like brand new.

Today I used Particlewave's video to open both headlights. I baked the first one for 15 minutes with no give on the silicone. It went back into the oven for another 10 minutes since it had cooled a bit. It came apart easy enough the after the second bake. The second one went in for 20 minutes and came apart quickly. It was then easy to pop both of the headlight bucket assemblies back onto their pivot balls. The internal lens covers came off with only one plastic tab having broken. Once the internal light covers were off there was dust or dirt around the reflectors. It looked like residue from a bulb burning off moisture.

Next step have to be ordering the new projector lights.

Excellent work!
Those ball joints cause me more headache...

particlewave 06-14-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tightbox (Post 405628)
Make sure to spray a permanent protective UV coating on the newly polished lenses, or they will be cloudy again in no time!

Absolutely! Followed by a light polish, they will shine like new! :D

Now, if only something could be done about the darn internal crazing of the lens... :(

tightbox 06-15-2014 03:33 AM

Particle - what UV spray do you use? I purchased some clears that were a bit rougher than represented in the sales description, so I'm still in the research phase currently.

particlewave 06-15-2014 06:17 PM

To be honest, I'm pretty new to the whole restoration thing. I only did a couple of sets for members here because they were so bad that I couldn't make them any worse.

That said, Optimum Opti-lens is some pretty awesome stuff, but not a spray and pricey.
What have you tried?

tightbox 06-17-2014 05:34 AM

Haven't tried it yet, just received some lenses that were in worse shape than I would have liked, and have been researching what to do (other than mail them back to the seller!).

Wonder if I could use a regular UV stable automotive clear coat from paint scratch.com?

Nine8Six 06-17-2014 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tightbox (Post 406008)
Haven't tried it yet, just received some lenses that were in worse shape than I would have liked, and have been researching what to do (other than mail them back to the seller!).

Wonder if I could use a regular UV stable automotive clear coat from paint scratch.com?

Mine were original lenses and they received no special care for ten+ years and had some minor scratches so they had to be wet sanded at some stage. Although NOT recommended by any pro it worked for me. I didn't used UV protect whatsoever BUT I have to regularly polish them when I do the 986's quarterly detailing. Edit: takes 10min per headlight

I'm just saying this because the lenses looks as new as the day I restored them 36+ months ago. Guessing if you maintain them regularly it shouldn't be any different for yours.

Been using Meguiar's Plast-X Clear Plastic Cleaner. Could well have UV protect additives dunno... rarely read labels ;) These polish products are all the same thing really (de-oxidizers + ultrafine abrasive particles)

BFeller 06-17-2014 04:01 PM

I think the Turtle Wax or Mequire's headlight kit comes with a UV protectant for the plastic. A wipe on treatment that seems to be one that gets repeated like waxing.

particlewave 06-24-2014 01:46 PM

FYI - For readers interested in the retrofit, I am booked full through August 15.

Kits are still available for DIYers ;)

MitchSF 06-25-2014 03:02 AM

Another option is to use Lamin-X. The thick, clear headlight film does a good job of hiding small scratches.

Crono0001 06-26-2014 01:41 AM

Particlewave

Am I included in the "before August 15th" group?
My projectors should be reaching you Monday!!

particlewave 06-26-2014 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono0001 (Post 407327)
Particlewave

Am I included in the "before August 15th" group?
My projectors should be reaching you Monday!!

Absolutely! Got you penciled in ;)

BruceH 06-28-2014 11:27 AM

Finally got mine installed thanks to the outstanding work of Charles and Fred!:cheers: I have to say that both of these guys are fantastic guys to work with. We had some UPS issues which caused quite a bit of damage but Charles was able to repair everything to better than new, thanks again for all of your hard work and contributions to this forum!

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1403983486.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1403983506.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1403983539.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1403983586.jpg

particlewave 06-28-2014 02:23 PM

I'm just glad that ups didn't play soccer with them this time :D

They look really nice on your car, Bruce! The chrome reflector and bare shroud make the whole setup look very OEM, yet unique at the same time...like some kind of rare, never released Litronics.
Loving it! :cool:

BruceH 06-28-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 407783)
I'm just glad that ups didn't play soccer with them this time :D

They look really nice on your car, Bruce! The chrome reflector and bare shroud make the whole setup look very OEM, yet unique at the same time...like some kind of rare, never released Litronics.
Loving it! :cool:

I agree and that was what I was aiming for, un upgraded OEM look. Turned out perfect thanks to you:cheers:

eicheldp 06-28-2014 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceH (Post 407790)
I agree and that was what I was aiming for, un upgraded OEM look. Turned out perfect thanks to you:cheers:

Bruce,
They look great! Now I got to see what my Lapis Blue 04S will look like. Just pulled the trigger with Fred for the gun metal grey w/ White Angel eyes and leaving the rest of the headlamp unpainted.

@Charles - I'll be in contact soon to arrange for a winter time install. :D

Nine8Six 06-28-2014 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceH (Post 407749)
Finally got mine installed thanks to the outstanding work of Charles and Fred!:cheers: I have to say that both of these guys are fantastic guys to work with. We had some UPS issues which caused quite a bit of damage but Charles was able to repair everything to better than new, thanks again for all of your hard work and contributions to this forum!

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1403983486.jpg

Oh cool Bruce!!! Looking good.

and what's that blue reflect on the above pic? A Charles' special devil eye effect, LED, how did you guys managed that?

Nine8Six 06-28-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 407077)
FYI - For readers interested in the retrofit, I am booked full through August 15.

Kits are still available for DIYers ;)

They are available yes but I am one week late in getting them out now. Trying my best to catch up with time but with 18 orders/kits on the backburner atm, its pretty damn hard to meet up my 1(one) week mfg-time promise :/

Kits shipping this coming Tuesday for Fergus, Simon and Ed. Next batch sends out this coming weekend.

Your customer's kits are being mfg this coming week Charles, shipping beg of next week.

Nine8Six 06-28-2014 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eicheldp (Post 407816)
Bruce,
They look great! Now I got to see what my Lapis Blue 04S will look like. Just pulled the trigger with Fred for the gun metal grey w/ White Angel eyes and leaving the rest of the headlamp unpainted.

@Charles - I'll be in contact soon to arrange for a winter time install. :D

Got ya in for this week Don. Special projectors for special people only :)

Thx btw mate, email received

Nine8Six 06-28-2014 10:34 PM

I like this. Crazy huh

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1404023339.jpg

Van914 06-29-2014 04:37 AM

Fred & Charles,
This has to be one of the best Mods for our cars. I want to thank you for taking the time and effort.
I love mine.
The New styling is fantastic!

Barteur 06-29-2014 06:27 AM

Really like mine also. Fountain de jouvence for our cars!

BruceH 06-29-2014 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 407838)
Oh cool Bruce!!! Looking good.

and what's that blue reflect on the above pic? A Charles' special devil eye effect, LED, how did you guys managed that?

That's just the lights on, I was surprised it looked blue as well. Bonus;) I need to adjust the height of the beams, they are a bit low. High beams sure light the place up!

rfuerst911sc 06-29-2014 09:12 AM

Another mini update on the replacement seals :D . Just received an email from the supplier the tooling will be 5k but he feels like the numbers of 986/996 out there that may need these seals is great enough to move forward with the project. He has ordered the material to make the dies he estimates we are 8 weeks away from having a first piece article !!! He is going to make one side first I can't remember if I sent him a driver or passenger side ? If the fit is good he'll then do the opposite side. I may have to send him my old seals to get the other side but that's not a problem. Who knows with a little luck maybe these will be available by year end or a little sooner ! :cheers:

particlewave 06-29-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Van914 (Post 407855)
Fred & Charles,
This has to be one of the best Mods for our cars. I want to thank you for taking the time and effort.
I love mine.
The New styling is fantastic!

I'm glad that you're enjoying them! :D
Fred deserves an award for his efforts :cool:

particlewave 06-29-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 407875)
Another mini update on the replacement seals :D . Just received an email from the supplier the tooling will be 5k but he feels like the numbers of 986/996 out there that may need these seals is great enough to move forward with the project. He has ordered the material to make the dies he estimates we are 8 weeks away from having a first piece article !!! He is going to make one side first I can't remember if I sent him a driver or passenger side ? If the fit is good he'll then do the opposite side. I may have to send him my old seals to get the other side but that's not a problem. Who knows with a little luck maybe these will be available by year end or a little sooner ! :cheers:

That's good news! I have 2 sets of my own with gummy seals.

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Originally Posted by BruceH (Post 407869)
That's just the lights on, I was surprised it looked blue as well. Bonus;) I need to adjust the height of the beams, they are a bit low. High beams sure light the place up!

You have the adjustment instructions, right? I try to get them close, but there are always differences in cars due to ride height, etc.
If you need any help, let me know. Just be sure to keep an eye on the projectors when adjusting ;)

Pdwight 06-29-2014 02:49 PM

Sear
 
or re-seal, after you take the lens off what do you use to reseal the lens back onto the headlight assembly?

Nine8Six 06-29-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 407911)
or re-seal, after you take the lens off what do you use to reseal the lens back onto the headlight assembly?

Pd, anything sticky really. Autostore's RTV, liquid silicon. Cheap TAR could also work but messy dunno. The headlight housing has this nice 10mm deep groove where you can pour the stuff in. You just fill up at 50%, the lip of the lens accounts for the other 50%, when pressed together it all becomes a nicely flush seal.

You can't screw up and even if you'd try you'd fail;)

Nine8Six 06-29-2014 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barteur (Post 407860)
Really like mine also. Fountain de jouvence for our cars!

"Fountain de jouvence". Is below what you had in mind? lol

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1404087723.jpg

hope you are done with the other mods (IMS) you've been doing to your box. Summer rocks at that time of the year back home (I'd pay a lot for open roof rides in the mountain roads right now)

Pdwight 06-29-2014 05:26 PM

Wow
 
I love those headlights...the best !!!!

Nine8Six 06-29-2014 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 407931)
I love those headlights...the best !!!!

yea... they are alright. That mini h1 optic throws out a pretty sharp beam and that 35watts xenon is just perfect for this Porsche style headlight/lens angle design. Works, and it won't cook up your lens!

Surely they could be better. Recently tried a (true) 55watts hid kit on those. Brutal daylight blinding stuff but the heat is phenomenally high. Not only you can't touch the projector itself, it is difficult to hold your hand 1 inch away without getting burn after 2-3 secs. That poor porsche hood-style lens wouldn't last a month without a little brown burn ;)

Unless there is a way to shield that 55w heat in a way, using mini exhaust PC fans? lol, 35 watts hid in these is pretty much what it is.... for us anyway

They are 'okay', and they look guud (i also think!)

Pdwight 06-29-2014 08:08 PM

Cold Mirror
 
I spent most of my life in the Professional Photo Finishing industry, we had a mirror on our lamp houses called a "Cold Mirror" , it was a piece of glass with a Dichroic coating, it looked slightly silver to the naked eye but was 90% transparent to infrared light, this passed the heat from the 4 500 watt bulbs out of the back of the lamphouse and not into the optics that projected the image onto the photographic paper. Most halogen bulbs that have a built in reflector have this coating, if you look at one with a night vision viewer the silver reflector will appear to be transparent. Im not sure if any of this technology could be used for HID lamp houses....but I was thinking about it while I read your post about the 55W envelopes and ballasts.

BruceH 06-29-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 407901)
You have the adjustment instructions, right? I try to get them close, but there are always differences in cars due to ride height, etc.
If you need any help, let me know. Just be sure to keep an eye on the projectors when adjusting ;)

I still use the standard adjustments, correct?

particlewave 06-29-2014 08:38 PM

email sent, Bruce ;)

particlewave 07-05-2014 10:46 AM

I just got my hands on my first sets of the Luminoso and Vivo bezels... I'm speechless. Fred's work is always great, but these are just works of art that I don't even want to put in a car :D
They belong in a modern industrial art exhibit!

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...D9A6D43AD0.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...343E7A458C.jpg

BruceH 07-05-2014 11:17 AM

Always something new around the corner, they look fantastic! I guess mine are now classics:cool:

particlewave 07-05-2014 01:11 PM

I can sympathize, Bruce.
I've now had all 3 iterations. The good news is that if you get brave enough to open your headlights someday, 95% of the work is done.
You could just swap in the new units and sell the old ones as they are still in high demand. The sale of the old units can darn near pay for the new ones. ;)

I realize that most people don't want to risk damaging their headlights (which is why I'm so busy :p ), but at least it's an option.

BruceH 07-05-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 408726)
I can sympathize, Bruce.
I've now had all 3 iterations. The good news is that if you get brave enough to open your headlights someday, 95% of the work is done.
You could just swap in the new units and sell the old ones as they are still in high demand. The sale of the old units can darn near pay for the new ones. ;)

I realize that most people don't want to risk damaging their headlights (which is why I'm so busy :p ), but at least it's an option.

Oh, I'm good with what I have. They all look great. I'm glad the choices weren't there when I ordered. It was tough enough picking the right bezel color, LED's yes or no and the LED color and then of course the Light color temp. I got my beams raised to a perfect height. It took several turns but I still have plenty of clearance. Thanks for the detailed instructions:cheers:

rfuerst911sc 07-08-2014 06:47 AM

Another email update from the gasket manufacturer, in about 10 days they start cutting the tooling and 1st articles will be aprox. 10 days after that. He believes he will have prototype parts in hand by the end of July. He also stated he is still considering three material compounds for the final product. All three compounds can be run through the same tooling dies. Yesterday I sent him my personal set of gaskets so he would have a left/right just to be safe. We are getting closer to this being reallity !

particlewave 07-09-2014 10:35 PM

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A small preview of what my headlights are going to look like...it's a work in progress.
No, I won't make these like this for anyone else. Not right now, anyway.

I'm not 100% sure where this is going yet. :o

Pdwight 07-09-2014 10:40 PM

Love the Projector
 
Will there not be a lens ?


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