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Nine8Six 11-24-2013 02:48 AM

<<--- see previous page for DSLR pictures of anodized colors

Nine8Six 11-24-2013 02:52 AM

How to connect the kit to your existing headlight's circuit:

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clickman 11-24-2013 07:12 AM

Fred, do the original high beams still work then after the solenoids are connected, i.e. are the solenoid wires spliced in? Or are they redundant and the only highs are from the projectors?

particlewave 11-24-2013 07:23 AM

You could, but that would be redundant...and the projector would block some of the beam anyway.
It would be similar to using a flashlight in daylight :)

MitchSF 11-24-2013 09:20 AM

I left the chrome finish on the reflector bowls so that the halogen high beams would continue to work well. The problem with xenon is that it takes time for the bulbs to warm up, so they can't be used for flash to pass if they are off when flashed. I wanted to preserve that capability.

I wired a standard automotive relay across the low beam, with a diode across the coil as is common practice. The positive lead going to the high beam is cut and connected to the common terminal of the relay. The normally closed terminal of the relay goes to the bulb side of the high beam wire that was cut, and the normally open terminal of the relay goes to the projector coil. The other wire from the projector coil is grounded.

So it works like this - when the low beam is off and the high beam is flashed, the halogen bulb is used, as it was originally. When the xenon low beam is turned on and the high beam is flashed, the shutter is opened.

After running the low beam for 30 minutes, the ballast is at 91 degrees, and the front of the projector is at 132 degrees.

Sorry about the crummy picture. You can see the relay in the middle of the picture, on the right. It fits inside near the white adjustment knob, held in place with a small piece of industrial velcro.




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kjc2050 11-24-2013 09:42 AM

Wow. Beautiful work!!! Stunning.

Nine8Six 11-24-2013 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickman (Post 373620)
Fred, do the original high beams still work then after the solenoids are connected, i.e. are the solenoid wires spliced in? Or are they redundant and the only highs are from the projectors?

Norm - See above post from MitchSF. Brilliant isn't it. You'll get far better advice from both Particlewave and MitchSF than I can possibly give you on the conn-wise subject.

Personally, I went to lazy route and simply left the high beam's H7 lamp in there and connected the solenoid to it. Like MitchSF mentioned, flashing during day time is required and this H7 halogen does a good job for that. However, Particlewave is pretty accurate saying it will become useless in night time.

The projector xenon's high beam is brightning up the hell out of everything when the solenoid is activated (high beams ON). Brutal. Outperforms any stock 55w halogen's high beams so you shouldn't miss it too much and very possibly, forget all about old-halogen tech for the rest of your life as well ;)

Nine8Six 11-24-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kjc2050 (Post 373636)
Wow. Beautiful work!!! Stunning.

MitchSF's idea, not mine. And Yes I agree it looks good.

Soon a lot of owners will have better looking shinners than mine :mad: unfair

MitchSF 11-24-2013 10:03 AM

Projectors are brilliant! Wiring is high school electricity 101.

Mitch

particlewave 11-24-2013 11:45 AM

Simple, yet elegant solution Mitch! Love it! :D

Fred...sorry for the build delay. Finals at school and holiday prep has been killing my free time :(
Build starts in 6 hours! ;)
Shouldn't take too long since most of the work is already done.

Nine8Six 11-24-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 373661)
Simple, yet elegant solution Mitch! Love it! :D

Fred...sorry for the build delay. Finals at school and holiday prep has been killing my free time :(
Build starts in 6 hours! ;)
Shouldn't take too long since most of the work is already done.

Uh-oh. I was hoping you'd take your time.... sort of letting me think that my-kit-is-cool-looking for a few more weeks.

Seriously, I can't wait to see how the green devil eyes turns out. Knowing your skills and creativity, I believe you'll have a few more surprises as well :(

clickman 11-24-2013 12:07 PM

As usual it's not that easy for us Canadians. We need the daytime running lights. I get the feeling I'm the first one of us to try to do this. If not, the rest of you Canuckleheads, please let me know!!

particlewave 11-24-2013 02:39 PM

I have something in the works click ;)
I don't have DRLs, but wanted some form of running light, so I'm doing something completely unique. Mock ups of the idea look pretty sweet! :cool:

Stay tuned ;)

clickman 11-24-2013 02:45 PM

OK particle, you've got my attention!!

In the meantime, I'll get Fred working on my kit!

How does quasi gun metal grey sound on a Seal Grey Boxster, instead of the standard silver?

PaulDash 11-25-2013 01:05 AM

Here (in Poland) daytime running lights are required year-round. Most people just drive with their low beams on all the time.

How would your projectors work in a situation like that? Any overheating?

I have a set of clear lights that I have to polish up and was thinking of retrofitting your kit at the same time. I'm still not 100% clear on the procedure, though, so if you can please PM with the instructions.

Nine8Six 11-25-2013 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulDash (Post 373730)
Here (in Poland) daytime running lights are required year-round. Most people just drive with their low beams on all the time.

How would your projectors work in a situation like that? Any overheating?

I have a set of clear lights that I have to polish up and was thinking of retrofitting your kit at the same time. I'm still not 100% clear on the procedure, though, so if you can please PM with the instructions.

Nice! Greetings from Shanghai Paul

Changing the xenon bulbs regularly will be your main concern. The manufacturer of the xenon bulb I am including in the kit rates them @ 2,000hrs. That said if you use your car 2 hrs per day, you are likely to need a xenon bulb refresh every two years (according to the manufacturer). In your case, I'd say changing them annually and they should perform at peak efficiency all the time. A pair of H1 Xenon bulbs (35watts ) will cost you a huge $20 each year. Not a crisis!

Bear in mind the complete assembly is made of aerospace 6061 T6 grade aluminum. That type of aluminum conducts heat about 2000 times faster than plastic (PE). The heat generated from the xenon bulb is not a problem and dissipated across the bowl (cast aluminum), the skirt and the bezel evenly. The whole thing effectively acts as a massive heat sink. The assembly runs at 45°C(min) 55°C (max) @ 60min operation. In Fahrenheit that would be 113°F(min) 130°F (max).

Ballasts can sustain the heat they are rated at which is between -40°C ~ 105°C (or 220°F). I've toasted a pair overnight in a enclosed environment (4"X6"X2" toolbox) and picked them up in the morning @ 54°C (130°F). So those passes my quality standards and comply with what the manufacturer swears by. A bad quality ballast can, and will, go up to 80°C ~90°C (175~200).

Regarding the DIY steps required to get this done, please let me know what procedure(s) you are not clear on and I'll do my best to explain in details.

Nine8Six 11-25-2013 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by clickman (Post 373694)
OK particle, you've got my attention!!

In the meantime, I'll get Fred working on my kit!

How does quasi gun metal grey sound on a Seal Grey Boxster, instead of the standard silver?

PM sent Norm. Incl gunmetal light grey color visual.... essentially the same as seal grey (very close if not a perfect match).

You get to make the hard decisions ;)

particlewave 11-25-2013 06:05 PM

Sanding, sanding, sanding...

Those ridges in the bottom of the reflector are a PITA. 60 grit sandpaper speeds it up some, but I still wound up with 4 bloody knuckles. :D

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Almost there.

Jamesp 11-26-2013 03:36 PM

My headlights stink. They are yellowed, burned, dead halogens. even after polishing the outside, which was a vast improvement, the best thing that can be said about them is "disappointing". This is a super interesting thread, and everyone posting on the thread knows whats going on. As an outsider looking in, can you tell me what the heck are your plans for the headlights your sanding? Oh yeah, sorry about the knuckles.

particlewave 11-26-2013 03:50 PM

Haha! Thanks, the knuckles are recovering.

I'm sanding the reflective chrome finish off of the reflectors because I'm going to paint them black. Paint doesn't stick real well to that shiny stuff ;)
It looks pretty slick all black with these projectors installed (see pg 3-4 of this thread). I'm hoping to be done by tomorrow, but holiday prep may cut into the project. Definitely will be done by Sunday...

Are the outer lenses on your halogens ruined also? The inner lens can be ditched with this upgrade ;)

Jamesp 11-26-2013 04:29 PM

Yeah, after 120K and years in the hot Texas sun they are pretty much fried, inside and out.

MitchSF 11-27-2013 04:18 AM

Lights are almost finished. Last night I put them on the car without lenses to check all functions, and to align the beams. As much as I thought they were adjusted correctly using the horizontal line on the projector bowl as a guide, they were noticeably out of adjustment. After setting the adjustment and tightening the nuts, I locked them in place with some Goop, which is a flexible adhesive that dries harder than silicone.

The large plastic trim and metal reflectors were painted with VHT high temperature ceramic black pearl paint. Other than the switching relay I described in a previous post, no other changes were made.

I used an LED in place of the small parking light bulb. It compliments the 6000k xenon bulbs much better than the Edison bulb and would probably make a nice driving light because the white light floods the reflector bowl, although I doubt that I will make wiring changes for that to function.

I did think about using angel eyes mounted to the front of the reflector bowl, but I decided against it. That would be the perfect place for them, but they would be impossible to service once the lens is glued in place and I don't think that's the look I want to go along with this very conservative design. By the way, the car is Arctic Silver.

The only work left to do is to blow out any remaining dust, glue the lenses, and then give them a light polish. I bought them used and both have very light scratches. Then I'll wax them and apply Lamin-X film.

The beam is amazing on these projectors, with a well-defined cutoff that is much better than the lights on our A5 and new X3.


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MitchSF 11-27-2013 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 374000)
My headlights stink. They are yellowed, burned, dead halogens. even after polishing the outside, which was a vast improvement, the best thing that can be said about them is "disappointing". This is a super interesting thread, and everyone posting on the thread knows whats going on. As an outsider looking in, can you tell me what the heck are your plans for the headlights your sanding? Oh yeah, sorry about the knuckles.

Probably best to read this thread from the beginning. There are many options and many ways to do this.

The lens in front of the reflector on one of my lights was cracked and yellowed, too. A previous owner installed one of the gold tipped high power bulbs. I think they are called Silverstar. They run much too hot for these lights. As particlewave mentioned, the lenses are not used with this conversion.

mayerstrat 11-27-2013 03:59 PM

Sorry for the delay in posting pictures everyone. There were some internal rumors about being internationally transferred that caused me to put to the car on hold for a few weeks.

The headlights have been in for 3-4 weeks now and they run great. The only downside is that it does effectively eliminate the high beams. I'll wash the car tomorrow and get some pictures up before it goes into the shop to get new speakers installed.

Nine8Six 11-28-2013 12:26 AM

Nice one guys, thanks x100! Really looking forward seeing your NEW boxsters' (frontend) :)

Mitch - funny you've noticed about the beam being identical if not better than factory xenon headlights. We've recently compared those high performance projectors (the same that you have) with the litronic on a 996 here to find out that they outperform those as well

And I still don't know why!!!

I fear to ask any more questions at the projector manufacturer here. I'm actually fearing that he'll rumble for another 45min about his angular data and otha R&D achievements RE 'elliptical' and 'improved optics' this & that. As much as I like learning new stuff, I won't get caught there again ;)

I'm just so happy to hear it worked for you guys as well

John - I refund your shipping if you can shoot a link to the high resolution picture you'll take (of course DSLR, the one with the Zanzibar car under the Utah sunset shades). Not only I'll make it public and dirty, I want to print it out and keep it along a replica of your kit. It's plexi-glassed souvenir style mate.... all we do here is serious stuff lol

particlewave 11-28-2013 06:20 PM

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Almost there. Please ignore the mess...it's been a long week :(

A few finishing touches and time to close up ;)
Btw, the last time I opened these headlights for the first projector install, I used way too much sealant and they were a huge PITA to open this time and I damaged the outer lip a bit near the fog lights on both units. Nothing that will show or affect the seal, but not pretty and I'm a little disappointed with myself :(

particlewave 11-28-2013 07:10 PM

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And just for good measure, I added a single (very bright) multicolor LED to each shroud so that I can change the devil eye look once in a while or just enhance the neon green ;)

They don't necessarily have to be on or even hooked up, but just in case I want them... They will be powered by the running/parking light circuit and hooked up to a relay so that they shut off when the headlights are on to preserve life (wouldn't be visible with headlights on anyway).

Nine8Six 11-29-2013 06:35 AM

Let me share some top secret development with you:

Meet the NEW & MIGHTY Nitestalkers High Performance Bi-Xenon Projectors :cool: (no panic, the brand name is pure fiction for the moment LOL)

A few asked whether it was possible to add Angel Eyes to the kit. Especially the dudes based in Japan. I have a friend there who is marketing those projectors at the moment and its doing rather good - as if I wasn't busy enough with real life!

Those Angel Eyes will finally come "Optional" with the kit. The standard model without angel eyes will remain the main product of course but like every other products, it's always good to have some options.

So there you go (we designed this a week or two ago). Pure coincidence. Enjoy!

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How it works:

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/A011385738120.jpg
^ 2mm*4mm slots are CNC'ed into the bezel. 32x of them.

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^ I've designed a compartment to isolate the light emitted from the LEDs. This will be filled with high temp silicon over the LED ring circuit board. We don't want this to pollute the lens color which is often pitch black, or clear viewed from an angle.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/A031385738135.jpg
^ I simply use a "Pure White" circular LED board and install a matte finish acrylic filter (see in greenish) to push out a colorful glow (red, yellow, green, etc.....). The matte finish acrylic is to prevent the nasty artificial LED glares so they look clean and soft looking.

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^ Those are the ring that I am getting manufactured in OD80mm (the internals only, we throw away the plastic casing). It will be a 32x led board powerd by a miniature/external controller (kept away from the heat). The board/LEDs will dissipate their heat at the Bezel's 6061 T6 aluminum so no heat built-up (unlike common plastics!). The Angel Eyes mini controller connects to the Parking Light's +/-. Easy!

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/A051385738170.jpg
^ Using the filter design/concept, not only it cleans off the glares, colors are also unlimited. We will offer those in PINK, VIOLET, ORANGE, BLACKLIGHT, etc etc ect

Like it?

Van914 11-29-2013 07:38 AM

Fred,
Wow I guess I bought to early! LOL!
Van

Nine8Six 11-29-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Van914 (Post 374327)
Fred,
Wow I guess I bought to early! LOL!
Van

Van - I personally prefer the standard one.... the same one you got for your Boxster mate. It's not that I don't like the angel eyes or the design, I think is damn cool, but it's just a personal preference. Might be because my 986 is already plenty tricked

If you haven't installed the one you already received I can take them back and replace them with one of those funky angel eyed projector kit instead. Extra shipping is on you mate (you loose).

EDIT: in fact, you would only need to buy another set of bezel w/ angel eye + the skirt. The HP projector, bulbs, ballasts, hardware etc are all the same fit so you get to keep those. Would be much cheaper than sending back the kit you already have ;)

Happy to discuss

The prod deadline on those is for mid-December, ready to ship up to JP for xmas.

MitchSF 12-01-2013 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 374295)
And just for good measure, I added a single (very bright) multicolor LED to each shroud so that I can change the devil eye look once in a while or just enhance the neon green ;)

Great idea! If the LED is bright enough to see during the day, maybe it would make a good angel eye alternative. My lights are sealed, otherwise I'd experiment with this, too.

Nine8Six 12-01-2013 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchSF (Post 374500)
Great idea! If the LED is bright enough to see during the day, maybe it would make a good angel eye alternative. My lights are sealed, otherwise I'd experiment with this, too.

Mitch, we actually just retrofitted a set of 996's this weekend here and borowed Particlewave's Devil Eyes idea (as he posted above). We mounted the (rgb)LED onto the solenoid casing and it glows quite right. I kinda like the dim'ed effect of the devil eyes more than the angel eyes (my pref anyway). Looks bad as*

We should be able to see them re-installed on the car this coming Wed so I'll try to snap a few pics during both day & evening time. Looked bright in the garage that is for sure :)

particlewave 12-05-2013 06:39 AM

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"What's the holdup?", you ask?
Well, I decided to cover up my gloss black from the previous projector install and went with matte black all around. Looks pretty sharp, I think.

Headlights are buttoned up and ready to be installed today ;)
Unfortunately, it's all of 10 degrees outside.

Crono0001 12-05-2013 11:43 AM

I may rip open my LED Projectors and replace these for a true custom look.

keep up the good work, madmods.

Nine8Six 12-05-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 375194)
"What's the holdup?", you ask?
Well, I decided to cover up my gloss black from the previous projector install and went with matte black all around. Looks pretty sharp, I think.

Headlights are buttoned up and ready to be installed today ;)
Unfortunately, it's all of 10 degrees outside.

This is looking sexy just sitting there on the workbench. I bet we will all have a blast when seen on your car. Absolutely love the day-light green effect

particlewave 12-06-2013 08:18 AM

Thanks Fred ;)
I had the easy part, though. These projectors are works of art :cool:

It's only about 15f degrees today, but the sun is shining. I may have to roll her out for some pics ;)

heliguy 12-06-2013 10:31 AM

Yes!!! Pics!!!

particlewave 12-06-2013 02:43 PM

Here's one or two...

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/a...0000000072.jpg

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Nine8Six 12-09-2013 01:41 PM

::UPDATE:: GT Style Projectors w/ Angel Eyes (release date)
 
Just a quick update on where I am at with the development of the Ultimate High Performance Bi-Xenon Projector for Porsche 9X6. With Angel Eyes of course ;)

The COB LED boards are finally in and I am now preparing a bigger aluminum mold that I will be using to make the acrylic filters. The artificial LED glare is gone for info.... that was achieved by simply using a white filler mixed with the acrylic. Makes the filter cloudy and therefore acts as a perfect light diffuser. Great success with that.

Below are some visuals of the real deal. Green ranks high on my list of favorite color to design with so no questions as why green was the color used to develop the prototype! It happens that the other color are far more interesting (yellow, blue, red, white). The red being simply the sickest, and the white being the smartest/cleanest of all imo.

The final product will be ready on Dec 20th and ready to ship out on Dec 23rd. As usual I am accepting custom-work requests on those so contact me if you are interested in a kit.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/011386628306.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/021386628322.jpg

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/031386628330.jpg

^ This one above has a thick (2.5mm) acrylic diffuser installed. It doesn't glow much but emits strong enough to see the light tunneling out of the 32x slots around the bezel. 10x times more sexier than the BMW's angel eyes, unique design as well :cool:

MitchSF 12-10-2013 05:23 PM

I applied the Lamin-X film today and installed the lights. Everything works perfectly. The spots on the lenses are water under the film, it needs a few days to set.

I'm still thinking about wiring the LED parking lights to an ignition source so they would work as angel eyes/driving lights.


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