Go Back   986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners > Porsche Boxster & Cayman Forums > Boxster Racing Forum

Post Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-19-2019, 06:40 PM   #1
Registered User
 
AZ986S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Arizona
Posts: 379
Almost lost it but no!

I don't know if that was the correct way to recover, but hey it worked... kinda...

https://youtu.be/_HvYuEx0XTc

__________________
2002 Boxster S - NHP 200 Cell Headers,test pipes,Borla CatBack,Competition Plenum,74 mm TB, EVOMS Tune,Tarett UDP,Eibach Swaybars,BIlstein PSS9s,TuneRS rear toe links,wheel studs,15 mm wheel spacers on all 4,EBC yellow stuff pads,Sebro rotors, EBS oil baffles,160 deg Thermostat,2 quart Accusump,full filtration remote oil filter,rad fan switch,custom gauge/switch plate, Race Capture data logging, 90K miles
AZ986S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2019, 09:03 PM   #2
Certified Boxster Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,669
A recovery is a recovery!
__________________
1999 996 C2 - sold - bought back - sold for more
1997 Spec Boxster BSR #254
1979 911 SC
POC Licensed DE/TT Instructor
thstone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2019, 09:27 PM   #3
Who's askin'?
 
maytag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Utah
Posts: 2,446
Quote:
Originally Posted by thstone View Post
A recovery is a recovery!
Right!? That's what I'm saying too. And it was much cleaner than MY last incident, hahaha.

Watching the video is making me Jones abit though.


Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
maytag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2019, 06:45 AM   #4
On the slippery slope
 
JayG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Austin and Palm Springs
Posts: 3,797
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by thstone View Post
A recovery is a recovery!
Yup

Nice job!!!
__________________
2004 Boxster S 6 speed - DRL relay hack, Polaris AutoTop DIY
2004 996 Targa Tip
Instructor - San Diego region
2014 Porsche Performance Driving School
2020 BMW X3, 2013 Ram 1500, 2016 Cmax, 2004 F-150 "Big Red"
JayG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2019, 07:38 AM   #5
Registered User
 
steved0x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: FL
Posts: 4,144
Spin it to win it! Nice job!
steved0x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2019, 07:27 AM   #6
Registered User
 
BYprodriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: O.C. CA
Posts: 3,709
Garage
Public Service Announcment

The following is a public service announcement:

Every automobile sold in USA is engineered to go straight unless the driver makes it turn. If you find yourself in the predicament demonstrated in the video, simply release your grip on the wheel & allow the steering wheel to spin thru your hands until it stops with the wheels pointing straight ahead as it was designed to do.

The car may not be heading the way you want it to, but you will be able to steer whichever way you need to go instead of sliding out of control. You can practice this technique during right angle turns on most public turns to get the feel of it.


Also while driving, in addition to looking as far away as possible, look where you want to go which will not always be straight out the windshield. Your hands tend to steer in the direction your eyes are looking.
__________________
OE engine rebuilt,3.6 litre LN Engineering billet sleeves,triple row IMSB,LN rods. Deep sump oil pan with DT40 oil.
BYprodriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2019, 08:04 AM   #7
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SLC
Posts: 209
Well done - good car control.
MaxD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2019, 04:39 PM   #8
Registered User
 
AZ986S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Arizona
Posts: 379
Thanks. Good advice. Over compensating is a hard habit to break... When I watched drifting videos, I did notice that the guys just let the wheel straighten out and grab when straight again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BYprodriver View Post
The following is a public service announcement:

Every automobile sold in USA is engineered to go straight unless the driver makes it turn. If you find yourself in the predicament demonstrated in the video, simply release your grip on the wheel & allow the steering wheel to spin thru your hands until it stops with the wheels pointing straight ahead as it was designed to do.

The car may not be heading the way you want it to, but you will be able to steer whichever way you need to go instead of sliding out of control. You can practice this technique during right angle turns on most public turns to get the feel of it.


Also while driving, in addition to looking as far away as possible, look where you want to go which will not always be straight out the windshield. Your hands tend to steer in the direction your eyes are looking.
__________________
2002 Boxster S - NHP 200 Cell Headers,test pipes,Borla CatBack,Competition Plenum,74 mm TB, EVOMS Tune,Tarett UDP,Eibach Swaybars,BIlstein PSS9s,TuneRS rear toe links,wheel studs,15 mm wheel spacers on all 4,EBC yellow stuff pads,Sebro rotors, EBS oil baffles,160 deg Thermostat,2 quart Accusump,full filtration remote oil filter,rad fan switch,custom gauge/switch plate, Race Capture data logging, 90K miles
AZ986S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2019, 05:31 PM   #9
Registered User
 
The Radium King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,128
we'd get in ******************** for that at our track - once we off we are supposed to stay off. brings crap onto the driving line, and our shoulders are pretty significant; an agressive move to get back on often results in you shooting across to the other side and hitting anything in the way as you do so.
The Radium King is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2019, 11:09 PM   #10
Registered User
 
husker boxster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Omaha
Posts: 2,917
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Radium King View Post
we'd get in ******************** for that at our track - once we off we are supposed to stay off. brings crap onto the driving line, and our shoulders are pretty significant; an agressive move to get back on often results in you shooting across to the other side and hitting anything in the way as you do so.
This was my initial reaction. We're taught and teach that if you put wheels off, DON'T immediately pull back on the track but SLOW DOWN, regain control (ie straighten out the wheel), and then re-enter the track with all 4 wheels. Proceed at a reduced speed and off the race line to the hot pit for an inspection. Pulling back onto the track at speed can result in uneven traction per side and wild results, esp if the track is narrow at that point or if you're in traffic.

Not trying to pile on, just discuss a teachable moment. Immediately pulling back on track is the natural instinct but if we engrain the better maneuver in our brains before it happens, we'll have a higher percentage chance of remembering it when the situation arises. Things happen quickly on the track and instincts take over.

Thanks for posting the video for discussion. We can all learn from it.
__________________
GPRPCA Chief Driving Instructor
2008 Boxster S Limited Edition #005
2008 Cayman S Sport - Signal Green
1989 928 S4 5 spd - black

Last edited by husker boxster; 01-23-2019 at 11:26 PM.
husker boxster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2019, 10:50 AM   #11
Registered User
 
steved0x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: FL
Posts: 4,144
You did better than me last Sunday morning:

https://youtu.be/z7K1cnsvO-4



Let me give all my excuses:
  • It was my first session of the day, in the 2nd run group to run
  • R-Comp tires, cold, and air pressures probably too low (set from the afternoon before)
  • It was rainy and cold (40's I think?)
  • It was only the 2nd hot lap and my tire weren't warmed up that much I bet
  • I was tired of being stuck behind whatever kind of cup looking car this was, held me up at VIR and several times the day before, and I had been stuck behind him the warmup lap and the first hot lap
  • I was pressuring for a pass and it was too much... I think if I had fully tracked out and stayed there, I would have been good

When it let go it really snapped, it wasn't a "regular" slide catchable by a regular person I can catch some, but this one was really fast

It was a good learning experience, not to do all of the stuff I listed above
steved0x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2019, 05:31 PM   #12
Registered User
 
AZ986S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Arizona
Posts: 379
Were you able to drive away? or did you have to get pulled out?
Looks like you initially tried to correct but then just gave up and held her steady to a dead stop.
__________________
2002 Boxster S - NHP 200 Cell Headers,test pipes,Borla CatBack,Competition Plenum,74 mm TB, EVOMS Tune,Tarett UDP,Eibach Swaybars,BIlstein PSS9s,TuneRS rear toe links,wheel studs,15 mm wheel spacers on all 4,EBC yellow stuff pads,Sebro rotors, EBS oil baffles,160 deg Thermostat,2 quart Accusump,full filtration remote oil filter,rad fan switch,custom gauge/switch plate, Race Capture data logging, 90K miles
AZ986S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2019, 08:07 PM   #13
Registered User
 
jaykay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: toronto
Posts: 2,668
I have done both these put together in one incident....but managed to keep it on the road....facing the other way.....let it spin and put two feet in after going through numerous oscillations on corner exit and then getting it on straight section where I could lock it up going "straight".

I think I got into trouble by unconsciously lifting in in an a serious oversteer slide (rain/oil) when I would have been okay with keeping my foot in it and not moving the wheel too much.....there was too much concrete around and really fought it to avoid serious damage....not sure I could have let go of the wheel in this case.

Don't know the technique and will have to read up on it...not sure I could make it work for me as I fight like a dog in these situations.
__________________
986 00S
jaykay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2019, 07:13 AM   #14
Registered User
 
steved0x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: FL
Posts: 4,144
Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ986S View Post
Were you able to drive away? or did you have to get pulled out?
Looks like you initially tried to correct but then just gave up and held her steady to a dead stop.
I was able to drive away thankfully. I made a feeble correction effort to catch it, but it was too little too late...

The weekend before i did get stuck in the mud, so when this happened i was like not again....
steved0x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2019, 08:47 PM   #15
Certified Boxster Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,669
Quote:
Originally Posted by steved0x View Post
When it let go it really snapped, it wasn't a "regular" slide catchable by a regular person I can catch some, but this one was really fast
Remember how everyone raves about the Boxster's low moment of inertia? You just experienced it. In the right conditions, when it starts to go, it goes incredibly fast and you'll need very quick hands to catch it. Keep at it - practice makes perfect.
__________________
1999 996 C2 - sold - bought back - sold for more
1997 Spec Boxster BSR #254
1979 911 SC
POC Licensed DE/TT Instructor
thstone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2019, 09:24 PM   #16
Registered User
 
The Radium King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,128
with a perfect 50:50 weight distribution it really doesn't care which way it's pointing, and will sometime let you know with vigour.
The Radium King is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 12:43 PM   #17
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9
The weight distribution thing is huge, these cars are so tricky to catch once they start to go especially if conditions are at all slippery. You don't really have to worry about understeer much, but snap oversteer is always lurking around the corner.
Pretzel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 04:59 PM   #18
Registered User
 
rastta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Cowtown CA
Posts: 369
I had the car a little over a year when this happened at Sears Point. You can see the point-by by the guy in the Cayman, who is a GT3 class podium driver. He later told me he had engine trouble. I pinched the turn to get around and the back just let loose. Should have left the wheel center, but I was trying to avoid going into him. Lesson learned.

rastta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 10:18 PM   #19
Racer Boy
 
Racer Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 946
I've found that it is often better to just let the car spin than fight it until you end up hitting something.

My best spin story was at the start of a wet race. I got a good start and passed a couple of cars, then passed about four more going into a downhill hairpin (this was at Pacific Raceways). Exiting the hairpin turn, I lost it and spun quickly. I knew that if I fought it and stayed on the track, I'd get collected by the pack behind me, so I put both feet in and cranked the wheel the wrong way, hoping to get all the way off the track. I'd like to say that I skillfully pirouetted the car 360 degrees and went on my way, but that wasn't the case. I luckily spun 360 degrees and went on my way! Of course all hell broke out behind me, so I'm pretty sure I didn't win the most popular driver award that race weekend!

Racer Boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Post Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page