I'll just leave this right here......

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by thstone

Before this gets out of hand, let's keep politics out of this Forum. Far too many of the other Forum's have turned into political crap-fests. Let's not do the same.



Please, stay on topic - What do you think of the mid-engined Corvette?

I think it'll be okay if it's all we can buy. I'd rather a gt350 though.

Besides I never said I don't or do like the guy, just facing the facts of how some policy may affect the automotive world and that's relevant and capable of being discussed without too much underwear knotting.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I think it'll be okay if it's all we can buy. I'd rather a gt350 though.

Besides I never said I don't or do like the guy, just facing the facts of how some policy may affect the automotive world and that's relevant and capable of being discussed without too much underwear knotting.

I hear you Jake, but it doesn't take much to start a riot these days.

And remember, one of the worst blow-ups that we've ever had on this forum started with what the author thought to be an innocent post about a cat...

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I think it'll be okay if it's all we can buy. I'd rather a gt350 though.

Besides I never said I don't or do like the guy, just facing the facts of how some policy may affect the automotive world and that's relevant and capable of being discussed without too much underwear knotting.

No, but if I recall correctly, most people here are buying cars "used". So... explain to me how private sales of cars are going to be hugely taxed?

Getting back to the thread, I hope the new corvette is a winner. Be interested to see what it looks like when in production. Probably will never buy one, but nice to see them go in a mid-engine direction.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

No, but if I recall correctly, most people here are buying cars "used". So... explain to me how private sales of cars are going to be hugely taxed?

Of course it matters, the new market affects the used market, if new Porsches are priced out of the market then you can bet old ones will go up in value but it definitely is relevant in relation to a new mid engine corvette as in this case we're speaking of the competition for the American auto industry and the possibly lack thereof matters significantly.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Of course it matters, the new market affects the used market, if new Porsches are priced out of the market then you can bet old ones will go up in value but it definitely is relevant in relation to a new mid engine corvette as in this case we're speaking of the competition for the American auto industry and the possibly lack thereof matters significantly.

lol

Look, here is your quote:

"Better get used to it, grand emperor supreme doesn't like cars built elsewhere. All us Porsche folks may have to learn to love a corvette if we want something European,(did we ever put to rest whether or not your Boxster was German or Finnish?) at least without a huge tax, in a few years."

My point was simply that your comment has nothing to do with cars and is all about trying to make a witty comment concerning politics. As others have commented, I would prefer this forum stick to guns and cats, if we are going to go off topic. Or, we could make the move to go to millennial humor as you (and your generation) provide us a rich source of material(s).


But getting back to the point I was making and you ignored: I stated, most people "here" buy used. Thus, I fail to see how there will be these huge taxes you propose on a "private sale" nor do I understand what "market" you think exists whereby people make car purchases and are swayed entirely based on "taxes". Is taxing "new" cars somehow trickling down to the "used car Market" or do you believe that people make choices entirely based on a taxation rate?

You know, it is actually laughable as many people (in Utah) avoid the whole issue of taxes by creating a "phantom" LLC that exists in Montana, to avoid taxes, by registering the purchase of the car in Montana. Sure, you can get the Black license plate, and some would argue it is a "much" cooler plate, but nevertheless, people will ALWAYS find a way to avoid taxes.

Personally, I would love to have a property in Nevada that I could "live" in just long enough so that I may file in a state that doesn't have a State income tax. But, you know what, haven't gone that far just yet.

Edit: "Lest anyone think" Jake did his homework: http://rmautobuzz.com/many-vehicles-donald-trump-car-collection/
1. Rolls-Royce
2. Chevy Camaro
3. Lamborghini Diablo
4. Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
5. Cadillac Escalade
6. Tesla
7. Maybach (also used in his show the Apprentice, if memory serves)
8. Mercedes-benz S600
9. Ferrari
10. Cadillac Allante
11. Rolls-Royce 1950s Silver Cloud


Yup, the President sure does love his American Cars.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

lol

Look, here is your quote:

"Better get used to it, grand emperor supreme doesn't like cars built elsewhere. All us Porsche folks may have to learn to love a corvette if we want something European,(did we ever put to rest whether or not your Boxster was German or Finnish?) at least without a huge tax, in a few years."

It was about cars and the vehicle on the market and the prices they may be bought at.

Taxing euro imports affects maintaining our cars and people that currently own porsches buying new ones.
The new car market greatly affects the used car market but in terms of this thread my comment is about the imaginative choice between a mid engine corvette and a 2020 Porsche 718. Not many here are in the market for a mid engine corvette but it's the topic of the thread and a relation to the new European car market at the time the corvette is on sale is a reasonable comment. I'm ignoring whatever you say about the president as that's aside from the general political atmosphere of restricted trade and tariffs, which is relevant as it affects Porsche particularly more than most any other company with them not having a single domestic manufacturing facility unlike other German manufactures. Porsches presence, at least at an uninflated price in the market place is POSSIBLY, just a simple possibility, coming to a close.

This is a relevant topic in terms of imaginative future car purchasing.

And yes the new car market greatly affects used cars especially if new cars leave the market all together due to a sale being unprofitable, it's an interesting topic to speculate on because if your 981 is one of the last Porsches in America period, it just maybeeeeee will have an affect on the cars value, or is that an absurd speculation.

People can avoid a tax, companies do so by not selling cars in a country, I.e. The ford ranger, vw amorak. We can get political and talk about the affect of tariffs on the economy and vehicles on the market and gather data about quality from us manufactures as competition from Asian ones rose, or how many parts are imported that go into the production of cars that are built in America and the affects a tariff would have on their prices....

but that's all unrelated same as the presidents personal car collection (I watched American top gear, I know the guy likes euro cars as much as the rest of us but I also know he's strong arming BMW and other local manufactures for having some over seas operations.)

Off topic conversations here are often on the topic of general automotive market, what's for sale at what price and what direction companies are going, hybrid, turbo, whatever. It's all common here and trade is relevant to these more than welcome topics.

[cfos]

Whoa... lol... so much to process. Will give some cliff notes:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

It was about cars and the vehicle on the market and the prices they may be bought at.

Taxing euro imports affects maintaining our cars and people that currently own porsches buying new ones. -again, most here prefer buying used and many consider the "older" 986 models to be superior/classic. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. [sic]

The new car market greatly affects the used car market but in terms of this thread my comment is about the imaginative choice between a mid engine corvette and a 2020 Porsche 718.

Wait... so... the Corvette competes with the Boxster now that it is mid-engine? Is that what Chevy wants? Personally, I would have thought the comparison would be to the 911, but maybe I'm wrong. Of course, we'll have to wait and see if a 718 is still around in 2020.

blah blah blah.

I'm ignoring whatever you say about the president as that's aside from the general political atmosphere of restricted trade and tariffs, which is relevant as it affects Porsche particularly more than most any other company with them not having a single domestic manufacturing facility unlike other German manufactures. - wait, aren't you going to argue below that the President is already strong arming BMW? I don't understand how you can state this, when you already offer that BMW, which does have a plant in the US is getting strong armed? You need to make up your mind. [sic]

Porsches presence, at least at an uninflated price in the market place is POSSIBLY, just a simple possibility, coming to a close.

This is a relevant topic in terms of imaginative future car purchasing.

And yes the new car market greatly affects used cars especially if new cars leave the market all together due to a sale being unprofitable,

"Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop the clock." Are you suggesting that Porsche will leave the country? Can you provide an example for this? I'm not talking about a RS6 wagon or something that just hasn't been offered in the states, but a car that was offered, but is no longer offered - at this price point. Also, my understanding is that Porsche considers itself a "boutique" dealer, in that the majority of the purchased cars are custom ordered. Thus, unlike traditional American dealerships, they don't have most of their fleet on sight for people to come in and buy, rather, they are a few varieties of cars onsite that display a variety of options, allowing people to come in, sample, choose what they like, and then order. So, are you suggesting that there is a backlog of constructed Porsche just sitting in lots waiting to be ship all over the world to sit in lots? I don't know where this idea is coming from nor where you believe you have support for it.

it's an interesting topic to speculate on because if your 981 is one of the last Porsches in America period, it just maybeeeeee will have an affect on the cars value, or is that an absurd speculation.

more blah

but that's all unrelated same as the presidents personal car collection (I watched American top gear, I know the guy likes euro cars as much as the rest of us but I also know he's strong arming BMW and other local manufactures for having some over seas operations.) - AH! Here it is. How again is BMW being strong armed while having a plant in what... is it SC? while Nothing has affected Porsche? I bought my Macan in January and didn't see any sort of extra tax... [sic]

Off topic conversations here are often on the topic of general automotive market, what's for sale at what price and what direction companies are going, hybrid, turbo, whatever. It's all common here and trade is relevant to these more than welcome topics.

I am curious about your perception of the "person" or "market" for people that buy "new" Porsches. Their financial state... their worries... what goes into decision... why people will spend extra from paint-to-sample charges... or maybe give some $40k to some guy that bought a 918 in order to get their allocation slot and order the recently released GT3RS... Do you factor these people into your SWOT analyses? To be honest, your posts often entertain me. Unlike you, who cannot reflect back on what it's like to be older (as I can, like you reflect on being younger), your ideas and supposition is entertaining. Do these thoughts just come to you? Or do you reflect back on your imaginary, but future, Porsche purchasing, along with future mortgages (dare you actually buy something, unless... was it PerfectLap(?) that has argued strongly against purchasing a house?)... Anyway, carry on, wayward son. May there be peace when you are done.

[Topless]

Personally I think the new Vettes are pretty awesome. I don't think I will ever own one but America's finest sports car? Maybe so.

I seriously considered getting a C5 before the 98 Box but insurance rates on those looked like a house payment at the time. And the Boxster was just funner to drive.

[Nine8Six]

edit: forgot, nothin political (deleted!)