Go Back   986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners > Porsche Boxster & Cayman Forums > Boxster General Discussions

Post Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-26-2016, 03:04 PM   #1
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Wheaton Il
Posts: 148
Am I spending too much on my boxster?

So I have had a 2000 boxster S since May. The car is loads of fun and I don't regret the purchase at all, but man i am racking up the credit cards with this one. Not including any upgrades I did by choice, I am about 4.5k deep in maintenance this summer. That includes an ims solution (preventative maintenance and well worth it), a new clutch assembly, 2 new motor mounts, an AOS replacement, an MAF replacement, and oil and fluids changed. I understand a 16 year old Porsche requires a lot of maintenance, but is this typical in the first year of ownership? Car had 68k miles when bought and I've put 5k on since.

2000986s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:19 PM   #2
Registered User
 
Luv2Box's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Pacific Grove, CA
Posts: 494
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000986s View Post
So I have had a 2000 boxster S since May. The car is loads of fun and I don't regret the purchase at all, but man i am racking up the credit cards with this one. Not including any upgrades I did by choice, I am about 4.5k deep in maintenance this summer. That includes an ims solution (preventative maintenance and well worth it), a new clutch assembly, 2 new motor mounts, an AOS replacement, an MAF replacement, and oil and fluids changed. I understand a 16 year old Porsche requires a lot of maintenance, but is this typical in the first year of ownership? Car had 68k miles when bought and I've put 5k on since.
With everything you've done, yes it can be typical. The point is is it worth it to you. If not you're in the wrong car.
Luv2Box is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:21 PM   #3
Registered User
 
kk2002s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: S. New Jersey
Posts: 1,239
Garage
I'm sure no one twisted your arm to do that much work
My 02 with 86k miles this spring did AOS,WP,low temp thermo all worked perfectly
I did replace coil packs 2 cracked
This year I probably spent more time working on the car than driving
I'm probably looking at cluch near future so then ims and rms make sense
Many don't do this preventative stuff and drive into the 6 digits
Also DIYing this stuff cuts big chunks of change out

Last edited by kk2002s; 08-26-2016 at 03:25 PM.
kk2002s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:23 PM   #4
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Wheaton Il
Posts: 148
It's absolutely worth it to me, I guess I'm just seeing if anyone comes out and says "woah dude that's a lot of maintenance in one year" or "that's way too much money for what you've had done". I just want to make sure that what I'm doing is reasonable and that I'm not throwing money away.
2000986s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:25 PM   #5
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Wheaton Il
Posts: 148
Quote:
Originally Posted by kk2002s View Post
Many don't do this preventative stuff and drive into the 6 digits
Yeah I fully intend on keeping this car for a long time. It's the first car I've ever purchased on my own and it already holds sentimental value. I figure the preventative maintenance is well worth it to avoid a total engine failure from the ims
2000986s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:29 PM   #6
Certified Boxster Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,669
The costs can be heavy at first to catch up preventive and deferred maintenance - especially if you do the IMS and clutch. In all likelihood, the costs should ease up for the next couple of years while you get to enjoy all the fruits of your investment!
__________________
1999 996 C2 - sold - bought back - sold for more
1997 Spec Boxster BSR #254
1979 911 SC
POC Licensed DE/TT Instructor
thstone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:36 PM   #7
Registered User
 
jsceash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,466
Garage
It sound like you did allot of this for peace of mind, and now your having second thoughts. With what you wrote you should be good to go for a while with no issues. Many just wait for warning signs then scurry to undo damage, so your ahead of the curve.

Again if your able there is a big savings in doing any of the repairs or yearly maintenance on your own.
__________________
2003 Black 986. modified for Advanced level HPDE and open track days.
* 3.6L LN block, 06 heads, Carrillo H rods, IDP with 987 intake, Oil mods, LN IMS. * Spec II Clutch, 3.2L S Spec P-P FW. * D2 shocks, GT3 arms & and links, Spacers front and rear * Weight reduced, No carpet, AC deleted, Remote PS pump, PS pump deleted. Recaro Pole position seats, Brey crouse ext. 5 point harness, NHP sport exhaust
jsceash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 03:43 PM   #8
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Wheaton Il
Posts: 148
Well this is some nice reassurance... Thanks guys. As far as doing work on my own, I am slowly learning. I'm only 20 so I'm brand new to the car world but eager to learn of course. Okay so as long as we're on the topic, is there any other known boxster issue that can be prevented that I haven't already taken care of?
2000986s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 04:02 PM   #9
Registered User
 
911monty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: California Central Coast
Posts: 1,476
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000986s View Post
Well this is some nice reassurance... Thanks guys. As far as doing work on my own, I am slowly learning. I'm only 20 so I'm brand new to the car world but eager to learn of course. Okay so as long as we're on the topic, is there any other known boxster issue that can be prevented that I haven't already taken care of?
There is a serious malady that is known to afflict a high percentage of these cars. It is called Lackomotivation. It generally manifests itself on cars that sit around too much. Also see Garage Queenism. These maladies can generally be prevented by a good dose of driving with frequent bursts to redline.
If you haven't yet then check your drains!! If your car spends any time outdoors then a good waterproof cover is worth it's weight. Far too many fall victim to this.
911monty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 04:45 PM   #10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sanford NC
Posts: 2,537
Me too. Initial purchase plus two months and I had spent $3k+. It was 5 years before my yearly cost exceeded $1k and that was for 4 PS2 tires. Some of both figures was optional but the result was a wonderfully reliable car.
mikefocke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 04:56 PM   #11
There Is No Substitute.
 
rick3000's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: West Coast
Posts: 3,253
Garage
It seems like you have covered your bases. I don't see any issue with replacing wear items and doing other maintenance all at once when you get a new car, especially if you don't have a lot of the service history or just want the peace of mind. Plus you maintenance costs for the next few years should be lower, since you have already done a lot of what you would likely need to do later.

As 911monty mentioned check you drains, if they clog water can get under the driver's seat and ruin the immobilizer (very expensive repair). If you haven't changed the brake fluid, that should get changed every 2 years. Then you've got the fuel filter, cabin filter, air filter, and serpentine belt. If you want something more in depth, a good starter DIY, take the front bumper off, clean the radiators, and reroute your front trunk release cable behind the front tow cap for easy access if the battery ever dies.

Funnily enough, the 986's that sit around do, in my experience, tend to experience more issues. These cars were made to be driven!
__________________
1999 Ocean Blue Metallic Boxster - blueboxster.com
rick3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 05:34 PM   #12
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Denver
Posts: 866
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000986s View Post
So I have had a 2000 boxster S since May. The car is loads of fun and I don't regret the purchase at all, but man i am racking up the credit cards with this one. Not including any upgrades I did by choice, I am about 4.5k deep in maintenance this summer. That includes an ims solution (preventative maintenance and well worth it), a new clutch assembly, 2 new motor mounts, an AOS replacement, an MAF replacement, and oil and fluids changed. I understand a 16 year old Porsche requires a lot of maintenance, but is this typical in the first year of ownership? Car had 68k miles when bought and I've put 5k on since.
Most of this maintenance will take you through several years of ownership; oil & filter changes are done more frequently.
__________________
5280 Cruising @High Altitude
Seal Gray & K&N Filter
Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 05:35 PM   #13
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Greater Seattle, WA
Posts: 534
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000986s View Post
...man i am racking up the credit cards with this one...
I sincerely hope these expenses aren't causing you to revolve a high interest rate credit card balance.

But at least hopefully by buying a used car, you don't have a car loan and ensuing monthly payments.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000986s View Post
...ims solution (preventative maintenance and well worth it) ...
Are you wanting to hear other people's opinions here about the value of your maintenance work? I'll bet the "IMS Solution" was a significant part of your overall maintenance bill, and it sounds like your mind there might actually be already made up.

In any case, welcome to Porsche ownership, and enjoy your sweet ride!
__________________
2001 Boxster

Last edited by jakeru; 08-26-2016 at 05:53 PM.
jakeru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 05:35 PM   #14
1997 Tip, 2018 Macan
 
rexcramer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Upland, CA
Posts: 1,338
Garage
For comparison purposes, I have owned my 97/Tip for just over a year. I have spent just over $2k so far. $1150 on maintenance and $850 on wants. $550 of the wants was for the wind deflector set and the non smokers console. I have managed to do all of the maintenance myself to date. I will spring for a Durametric cable, when I do the next round of yearly maintenance work. I have put 7500 miles on it in that time.
rexcramer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 06:09 PM   #15
Registered User
 
911monty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: California Central Coast
Posts: 1,476
Garage
What you have done is establish a baseline for maintenance and eliminated a key point of failure. Well done.
I have come to the conclusion that time is no friend to these cars, they do not age gracefully. There are a lot of plastic parts used in these cars and I find there is always something to do, replace or upgrade. Fortunately I am retired, enjoy working on this car, and look for things to do to and for it. With proper attention these cars can be very reliable. There will be other opinions.
A plastic part you may want to look at is the coolant expansion tank in the trunk. If it is white as virgin snow congratulations! If it is yellow like old parchment, then get ready to replace it.
911monty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 06:59 PM   #16
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 383
Just be prepared if you live in an area that mandates emissions testing to renew the plates. My catalytic converters failed to pass this year. OEM cats are $1,500 each, and there are two of them. I had my shop go with third-party, and the total bill was still $1,800.

DBear
dbear61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 07:47 PM   #17
Registered User
 
Giller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Listowel, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,120
I would say yes, definitely. A big chunk went to a fix that is rarely needed - the IMS. And some of the other fixes are certainly ones you could have done over time. If you have the money though, what does it matter?
__________________
2011 Boxster 987.2 Arctic silver / Black leather, PDK with Sports Chrono Package Plus
Giller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 07:50 PM   #18
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: S.California
Posts: 2,027
Notice there is no other car mentioned in the cost comparisons. Without a comparison ,it is difficult to have a logical discussion of repair/maintenance costs of a 986. If you compare it to say a 996, a 968 or an MR2 or S2000, it may be more useful to you ?
Gelbster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2016, 08:15 PM   #19
Registered User
 
AZ986S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Arizona
Posts: 379
I bought my 2002 S in May this year also. I immediately had the IMS, RMS, new clutch and 2 near rear shocks done for $3,400. I have done the plugs, tubes, transmissions mounts, motor mount, cabin filter, air filter, serpentine belt, refill transaxle, road force balance for another $600. Then I did the IPD competition plenum and 74 mm TB upgrade and a Vivid Racing tune for $1,400... Wow is all I can say now when I drive it! Gas mileage is down now, I wonder why?

I think I'm set for a while... I am pretty anal about my cars running perfectly and hate unexpected breakdowns. But now, I hope I have peace of mind for a couple years.
__________________
2002 Boxster S - NHP 200 Cell Headers,test pipes,Borla CatBack,Competition Plenum,74 mm TB, EVOMS Tune,Tarett UDP,Eibach Swaybars,BIlstein PSS9s,TuneRS rear toe links,wheel studs,15 mm wheel spacers on all 4,EBC yellow stuff pads,Sebro rotors, EBS oil baffles,160 deg Thermostat,2 quart Accusump,full filtration remote oil filter,rad fan switch,custom gauge/switch plate, Race Capture data logging, 90K miles
AZ986S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2016, 04:39 AM   #20
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Wheaton Il
Posts: 148
Alright so this has all led me to another question now: it seems like a general consensus is that these cars don't do well when they sit around because of all the plastic parts. Well I live in Illinois, and I did not intend to drive the car this winter. I wanted to garage it, start it about once a week or so, but never expose it to any salt, snow, or ice. Would this be a bad thing..? Am I better off just driving the car?

2000986s is offline   Reply With Quote
Post Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page