BMW...All cars to be electric in a decade..

[particlewave]

If you guys were involved in the industry, you would be very interested and you would know that battery storage capacities are set to make a huge leap within the next 10 years. Huge...10-100x.
The only semi-valid argument from the pro-ICE crowd about the future of electric is the butt-hurt over loss of ICE sound. If they lived 115 years ago, they'd be the ones angry about those noisy horseless carriages. Advancement always moves forward, despite resistance from the "scared of change" crowd.

Electric power puts IC to shame on every front but storage capacity, and that table will tilt in the direction of electric soon. Think "super conductors" and "nano carbon".
There will be transition periods when ICE and electric power will be facing one another and ICE is going to lose. Very soon...

There is no debate, only logic. Mark my words.
That's it. I won't come back to this thread and argue with anyone as it's pointless.

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by particlewave

Electric power puts IC to shame on every front but storage capacity, and that table will tilt in the direction of electric soon. Think "super conductors" and "nano carbon".
There will be transition periods when ICE and electric power will be facing one another and ICE is going to lose. Very soon...

There is no debate, only logic. Mark my words.

Take a look at model airplanes. The fuel for those engines is alcohol based. It has a lower BTU per pound mass than gasoline or diesel. The "gas" model airplane engines have been replaced by electric motors thanks to better rare earth magnets and lithium polymer battery technology. The BTU per lb mass of the electric propulsion system is sufficient to make the electric motors and batteries an attractive replacement. The curve being climbed is the BTU per pound mass curve. When electric motors and batteries bypass fuel tanks and ICEs in this measure the tide will turn and any ICE will be consigned to the dustbin with steam engines.

[Porsche9]

Originally Posted by particlewave

If you guys were involved in the industry, you would be very interested and you would know that battery storage capacities are set to make a huge leap within the next 10 years. Huge...10-100x.
The only semi-valid argument from the pro-ICE crowd about the future of electric is the butt-hurt over loss of ICE sound. If they lived 115 years ago, they'd be the ones angry about those noisy horseless carriages. Advancement always moves forward, despite resistance from the "scared of change" crowd.

Electric power puts IC to shame on every front but storage capacity, and that table will tilt in the direction of electric soon. Think "super conductors" and "nano carbon".
There will be transition periods when ICE and electric power will be facing one another and ICE is going to lose. Very soon...

There is no debate, only logic. Mark my words.

I don't like it but I know it's coming and sooner rather than later. I think the battery capacity issue will be resolved in the next 5 to 10 years but the infrasturcture to support electric cars will take longer. In the end it is an overall good thing especially if we can rid ourselves on the dependence of those that really don't like us. For me I will always like ICE over a electric motor just like I a steam locomotive over a diesel electriv locomotive. Both are dirty machines with many down sides but they are just a hellva lot more fun to play with.

[Ben006]

Originally Posted by particlewave

If you guys were involved in the industry, you would be very interested and you would know that battery storage capacities are set to make a huge leap within the next 10 years. Huge...10-100x.
The only semi-valid argument from the pro-ICE crowd about the future of electric is the butt-hurt over loss of ICE sound. If they lived 115 years ago, they'd be the ones angry about those noisy horseless carriages. Advancement always moves forward, despite resistance from the "scared of change" crowd.

Electric power puts IC to shame on every front but storage capacity, and that table will tilt in the direction of electric soon. Think "super conductors" and "nano carbon".
There will be transition periods when ICE and electric power will be facing one another and ICE is going to lose. Very soon...

There is no debate, only logic. Mark my words.
That's it. I won't come back to this thread and argue with anyone as it's pointless.

I won't argue ... because I'm 100% with you !
A lot of people I've talked to about electric cars have no idea of what they are talking about and as you said, 115 years ago, they would have been the angry ones against the petrol powered carriages...

Honnestly, as my boxster is a daily driver, I would really want it electric (with the same power).

My family owns the french equivalent of the nissan leaf (renault zoé, the exact same, but good looking), and despite some small defects, it's a real pleasure to drive !

So, I'm happy that I will see more electric cars in the near future !

Ben.

[leftfield6]

Currently I have the tremendous advantage pf being able to ride a commuter bus to work daily. And my company pays for it as a perk. The cost would be $180 month. I drive from my house 1.1 miles to the park-and-ride, and the bus stop in Midtown Atlanta is 2 blocks from my office.

BUT, I'm being recruited heavily by another company. Let's just say there are a number of reasons I would accept their offer. But what would suck would be the commute. No transit from where I live to where this company HQ is.

So, if I accept the job offer, I am almost assuredly getting a used Leaf. The prices are amazingly low for a very mileage used Leaf. Right now there is a 2013 Leaf SL with 14K miles at a dealer nearby for $12,900.

According to Google Maps, it is 22.6 miles one way to my potential new office. 46 miles round trip should be easily within the range of the Leaf. One of my neighbors has one a Leaf, and charges it up every night. He says his power bill went up about $25-30 a month.

Not as replacement for all of my vehicles, but I think it would be a perfect commuter vehicle. Plus I find the technology pretty cool. I'd be the guy trying to game it and push the mileage for all it's worth!

Atlanta does have a pretty good infrastructure already in place, and more being added everyday. As of Feb of this year, Atlanta was the number one metro area in the nation for Nissan Leaf sales.