Good Bye 996

[woodsman]

Originally Posted by KRAM36

You sold that for less then $10k? What a deal he got!

You don't think that's a lemon?

[jacabean]

no chance i will part with my 996 anytime soon. these cars are such a great deal . with A PSS9 suspension this car is great fun also .

[woodsman]

Originally Posted by jacabean

no chance i will part with my 996 anytime soon. these cars are such a great deal . with A PSS9 suspension this car is great fun also .

The aero kit greatly improves it's looks. Life's too short to drive ordinary cars...
So that's aero 1 on a 2001?

[jacabean]

Originally Posted by woodsman

The aero kit greatly improves it's looks. Life's too short to drive ordinary cars...
So that's aero 1 on a 2001?

that is correct . The 996 is a good looking car with the correct upgrades . It is also amazing how much faster the 3.4 is than the 3.2 .

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by jacabean

no chance i will part with my 996 anytime soon. these cars are such a great deal . with A PSS9 suspension this car is great fun also .

Excellent car!

If rear engine is your thing, I believe time will show the 996 to be one of the best Porsches in the second hand market. The engine does not require rebuilding as a regular part of long-term ownership, the car is reliable, durable under the right conditions, there are no rust issues, the car is practical in hot climates (as the AC works) as well as in cold weather climates (just slap on some winters). For weekend warriors its a faster car than most can handle at 10/10's and can put a mortal within mere seconds of a pro. A few mods like you've done will make it look like $70K car to the average person. If the odomter goes up another 10K miles...who cares, the re-sale isn't a barrier to enjoyment. If you put it in a wall at your next DE, there are literal thousands waiting to take its place. What's missing here? Nothing.

p.s.
997's will become $10K cars before you know it. The production numbers for all these water-cooled cars are just too high for the used car buyer to absorb.
There are some great deals in Porsche world coming our way. If a 997 C4S with only 30K miles can probably be negotiated down to $23k then it's only a matter of time..

[jacabean]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Excellent car!

If rear engine is your thing, I believe time will show the 996 to be one of the best Porsches in the second hand market. The engine does not require rebuilding as a regular part of long-term ownership, the car is reliable, durable under the right conditions, there are no rust issues, the car is practical in hot climates (as the AC works) as well as in cold weather climates (just slap on some winters). For weekend warriors its a faster car than most can handle at 10/10's and can put a mortal within mere seconds of a pro. A few mods like you've done will make it look like $70K car to the average person. If the odomter goes up another 10K miles...who cares, the re-sale isn't a barrier to enjoyment. If you put it in a wall at your next DE, there are literal thousands waiting to take its place. What's missing here? Nothing.

p.s.
997's will become $10K cars before you know it. The production numbers for all these water-cooled cars are just too high for the used car buyer to absorb.
There are some great deals in Porsche world coming our way. If a 997 C4S with only 30K miles can probably be negotiated down to $23k then it's only a matter of time..

interesting point of view . I think it will be some time before we see cheap 997 cars . nice 996 examples such as the C4S are still north of 30K . The 997 cars seem to be much more solid and have a more desirable look as well .

check out the list of mods. the P.O. did along with a new LN IMS bearing (double row) , clutch and water pump just before i bought the car.

1. Champion motor sports 19" RG5B wheels
2. PSS9 coil overs , corner balanced
3. Front and rear gt3 sway bars with tarrett drop links
4. Suncoast headers
5. Fabspeed X pipe with 200 cell cats.
6 Porsche PSE mufflers
7. Evo motorsports intake
8. IPD plenum
9. Softronic ecu tune
10. B&M short shifter with Techart knob
11. Dectane LED tail lamps

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by jacabean

interesting point of view . I think it will be some time before we see cheap 997 cars . nice 996 examples such as the C4S are still north of 30K . The 997 cars seem to be much more solid and have a more desirable look as well .

check out the list of mods. the P.O. did along with a new LN IMS bearing (double row) , clutch and water pump just before i bought the car.

1. Champion motor sports 19" RG5B wheels
2. PSS9 coil overs , corner balanced
3. Front and rear gt3 sway bars with tarrett drop links
4. Suncoast headers
5. Fabspeed X pipe with 200 cell cats.
6 Porsche PSE mufflers
7. Evo motorsports intake
8. IPD plenum
9. Softronic ecu tune
10. B&M short shifter with Techart knob
11. Dectane LED tail lamps

Really cheap 996's are nearly always high mileage 996s (north of 100K on the odometer).
So it's easy to conflate high mileage with supposed "low desirability".
I'm already seeing high mile 997.1's dipping below $30K with regularity and this is only the first full year that the early 997.2's have come off warranty.
Each year will push down the prices of 997.1's at a faster clip since Porsche sold so many of this series, far more than the used car market can absorb.
With tens of thousands of these cars rolling around there will be a good % of owners that need quick cash and could care less that their 997 is more desirable than an earlier Porsche with a different looking interior.

And I have a feeling we'll be seeing a good representation of Texas 997.1 and 997.2's in the used car listings soon. The market forces that force some to sell quickly can turn on a dime.
As long as there's plenty of something in the market for re-sale its very difficult to predict how durable that resale value of a depreciating asset can be.

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Excellent car!

If rear engine is your thing, I believe time will show the 996 to be one of the best Porsches in the second hand market. The engine does not require rebuilding as a regular part of long-term ownership, the car is reliable, durable under the right conditions, there are no rust issues, the car is practical in hot climates (as the AC works) as well as in cold weather climates (just slap on some winters). For weekend warriors its a faster car than most can handle at 10/10's and can put a mortal within mere seconds of a pro. A few mods like you've done will make it look like $70K car to the average person. If the odomter goes up another 10K miles...who cares, the re-sale isn't a barrier to enjoyment. If you put it in a wall at your next DE, there are literal thousands waiting to take its place. What's missing here? Nothing.

p.s.
997's will become $10K cars before you know it. The production numbers for all these water-cooled cars are just too high for the used car buyer to absorb.
There are some great deals in Porsche world coming our way. If a 997 C4S with only 30K miles can probably be negotiated down to $23k then it's only a matter of time..

996's are nice cars but to say they are in the same league desirability or value wise to a 997 is a joke. Your example of 997 pricing is for a Flood Car with a Rebuilt Title also..............

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by coreseller

996's are nice cars but to say they are in the same league desirability or value wise to a 997 is a joke. Your example of 997 pricing is for a Flood Car with a Rebuilt Title also..............

Good eye professor. But there are several 997.1's in the mid to high $20k's on that site. Pardon me for not linking to one of those.
And that's on Autotrader where prices are always on the high side vs. private sellers. Which means the $25K 997 from a private party is already out there with more to come. If you think an additional $10K make for "another league" of value and desirability then you must excite easily.

The same market forces that drove down 996 prices will drive down 997 prices. There's nothing special about the 997.1. Why? because it comes down to the engine.
997.1's have "glorified" m96 engines according to the actual engine experts. As with all Porsches, the value of these cars comes from the scarcity of the engine not necessarily the merits of the engine itself. There's nothing scarce about a used m97 engine much like there's nothing scarce about an m96 engine. I suppose if interiors and round headlights are that important to a used car buyer, good on them, but these non-engine areas will not prop up the value of 997 in the face of so much supply for long. It's simply supply and demand, your camp's sliver of sliver subjective view of "desirability" isn't going to stop those market forces.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

997's will become $10K cars before you know it. The production numbers for all these water-cooled cars are just too high for the used car buyer to absorb.
There are some great deals in Porsche world coming our way. If a 997 C4S with only 30K miles can probably be negotiated down to $23k then it's only a matter of time..

By the same token, a $35K Panamera with 85K miles is only 2-3 years away... Porsche Panamera 4DR 64K miles $47K | eBay

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by thstone

By the same token, a $35K Panamera with 85K miles is only 2-3 years away... Porsche Panamera 4DR 64K miles $47K | eBay

Either the market really has little confidence in the durability of these engines off warranty or the streets are awash in Panameras and Panamera Coupes (991's).
But to be fair if you've looked at Bimmer, Range Rover and Merc resale, crude oil and expensive German cars are in the same boat.

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by woodsman

You don't think that's a lemon?

Not at all. The repairs he did are pretty much standard maintenance.

I do know someone who like to makes a lot of sour post.

Such a beautiful car, hard to believe the value is so low.