911 Buyers remorse

[thstone]

You want driver involvement, excitement, and more feedback than a person can withstand? Buy a 964 RS clone like this one that I drove. Driving heaven.

[jb92563]

Originally Posted by thstone

You want driver involvement, excitement, and more feedback than a person can withstand? Buy a 964 RS clone like this one that I drove. Driving heaven.

A 964 clone RS?

Is it cloned from a base 964 or something else?

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by jb92563

A 964 clone RS?

Is it cloned from a base 964 or something else?

They are based off the 964, mainly stripping weight / options and beefing up suspension and rubber........RSAmerica.net: What is an RS America

Thstone is right, they are incredible to drive and the raw feedback is other worldly.

For me I wanted the modern conveniences yet the old school feel which IMO the 993 fills that need perfectly. I just washed it this morning lol, it had been months.



The 997 is much faster and more comfortable though, no debating that.

[fatmike]

Originally Posted by coreseller

They are based off the 964, mainly stripping weight / options and beefing up suspension and rubber........RSAmerica.net: What is an RS America

Thstone is right, they are incredible to drive and the raw feedback is other worldly.

For me I wanted the modern conveniences yet the old school feel which IMO the 993 fills that need perfectly. I just washed it this morning lol, it had been months.



The 997 is much faster and more comfortable though, no debating that.

Coreseller - Those are some sweet wheels!


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[coreseller]

Originally Posted by fatmike

Coreseller - Those are some sweet wheels!


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Thanks Mike. It was between those and BBS LM's, Johnny Danger talked me out of the LM's and now I'm glad he did.........

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by jb92563

A 964 clone RS?

A few years ago I dropped by my indy and he had two of them in the shop. But not clones, the real deal. Both black. I had to sneak into one of them to get a feel for the driver position. Put it this way, if the engine were in the middle and it was white, the Boxster would be long gone. And it certainly wouldn't be a garage queen. I think my indy said that particular owner could get about $30K back then.
Those prices wre doable. But at these prices I'd go with a clone.

[Porsche9]

Could not agree more on the 963/993. Drivers experience does not compare. Makes the 986 feel numb.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Porsche9

Could not agree more on the 963/993. Drivers experience does not compare. Makes the 986 feel numb.

I don't know about that. I'd say more so the 964 but not really the 993. The 993 to me does not feel like all the 911 and 964 I've driven before as far as feedback and sharpness.
Obvious engine differences aside, to me a 993 feels more like a 996 with the correct wheel base. The car that the 996 should have continued to be when they switched to water-cooled engines, if they were going to dump the 964.
But I think the 964 should have been developed instead of going the grand touring/plusher router that began with the 993.

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

I don't know about that. I'd say more so the 964 but not really the 993. The 993 to me does not feel like all the 911 and 964 I've driven before as far as feedback and sharpness.
Obvious engine differences aside, to me a 993 feels more like a 996 with the correct wheel base. The car that the 996 should have continued to be when they switched to water-cooled engines, if they were going to dump the 964.
But I think the 964 should have been developed instead of going the grand touring/plusher router that began with the 993.

It is amusing to watch, you feel compelled to reply / comment a novel on everything 911 related and school everybody and their brother (including those who've owned several) regarding their unique characteristics by series. Have you actually ever owned one? I ask in all seriousness.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by coreseller

It is amusing to watch, you feel compelled to reply / comment a novel on everything 911 related and school everybody and their brother (including those who've owned several) regarding their unique characteristics by series. Have you actually ever owned one? I ask in all seriousness.

First of all sorry if I offended your 993 by preferring the 964. My mistake (but be advised that this is not an uncommon view it seems).
As to your question on ownership, you see I'm lucky coreseller I don't have to buy them because I can drive them whenever I wish, well if I ask nicely.. and on some nights I don't have to ask at all since I'm not a drinking person. A pretty darn good tradeoff on a night out I think. I've easily driven more types of Carreras than I have driven Boxsters (which only number two Boxsters including my own).
So if anything I have more first-hand perspective on Carreras than 986's-- the very point of Porsche9's statement that the 'driver experience' in one car does not compare with the others. You must have read it as "ownership experience". And If you take exception to arguging against Porsche9's point to be "schooling" him, then you are mistaken. It's simply voicing the other side of the argument.

And by the way, to my understanding Jeremy Clarkson has never owned a Carrera. Someone should tell him to shut up about Porsches already.

[Porsche9]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

I don't know about that. I'd say more so the 964 but not really the 993. The 993 to me does not feel like all the 911 and 964 I've driven before as far as feedback and sharpness.
Obvious engine differences aside, to me a 993 feels more like a 996 with the correct wheel base. The car that the 996 should have continued to be when they switched to water-cooled engines, if they were going to dump the 964.
But I think the 964 should have been developed instead of going the grand touring/plusher router that began with the 993.

I haven't owned a 993 but have driven several all of which were modified and likely coloring my opinion. Even mine was modded (ECU mod, full dual outlet catless exhaust and a coil over suspension) making it a more visceral experience.

In the end for me the 964/993 are more of a true driver's cars and directly not comparable to the newer Porsche sports cars/GTs (based on having driven 986/987/996/997). I guess that is one of the reason the air cooled cars are appreciating in value.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Porsche9

In the end for me the 964/993 are more of a true driver's cars and directly not comparable to the newer Porsche sports cars/GTs (based on having driven 986/987/996/997). I guess that is one of the reason the air cooled cars are appreciating in value.

I'm of the opinion that if Porsche had continued to make the 993 but with a water-cooled 996 engine instead, along with all other 'under the skin' 996 updates, such that you could not tell the difference from the outside, and sold these new 993's at 20K units per year, the air-cooled 993's would not be nearly as valueable today. And more so if the 'water-cooled 993' brought back the classic 911 fenders of the 964.