OH NO!! Metal shavings in oil filter :(|

[tanque55]

2 years and 10K miles? Wow!

[haz]

Wow what??

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by haz

Wow what??

2 and 1/4 years is a long time for old oil to be sitting in the car.
And 10,000 miles is too long to put on the oil. Although this would have been a good time to have the oil inspected before the purchase. Sounds like your mechanic did not do this? assuming you had the car inspected by someone who knows about this car's engine needs.

p.s.
Over here IMS replacement (without replacing the clutch, but something not recommended) is probably approximately 10 hours of shop time at the most. Do you know what a Porsche specialty shop charges per hour in Oslo? I'm sure a competent shop can get it done between 9 am and 5 pm with access to all the right tools. The bearing itself here can cost between $100-$700 (there are a few options so I'm sure about range). The tool to extract the bearing is like $600 or so. But if the shop knows how to do this job they should already have this custom tool. This is not a generic tool you buy at a hardware store.

[haz]

I do not know if it has a single or a dual row, nor which month in the year of 2000 it was built. Maybe there is a way of checking, say via the VIN number?

I know 27 months between oilchanges is too long. As I said, I purchaes the Boxster july 4.th and all shops were closed during the summertime. They opened now and that´s why I did the service incl oilchange..

I´m thinking of returning the car to the seller..

I will bring the oilfilter with some metalshavings to my local Porsche workshop so that they can determine what type of metal this is, and thereby determine where it comes from within the engine..

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by haz

I do not know if it has a single or a dual row, nor which month in the year of 2000 it was built. Maybe there is a way of checking, say via the VIN number?

I know 27 months between oilchanges is too long. As I said, I purchaes the Boxster july 4.th and all shops were closed during the summertime. They opened now and that´s why I did the service incl oilchange..

I´m thinking of returning the car to the seller..

Does Norway have a guarantee time for used cars?

The build date on US cars is on the driver's door jam. Where the door closes.

Dual row cars are the most unlikely to have an IMS fail. Some 2000 cars had dual row. But Porsche's serial numbers are not reliable to determine this.

[jesseborgelt]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Does Norway have a guarantee time for used cars?

The build date on US cars is on the driver's door jam. Where the door closes.

Dual row cars are the most unlikely to have an IMS fail. Some 2000 cars had dual row. But Porsche's serial numbers are not reliable to determine this.

So, without taking the car apart to visually see, how is someone going to know if they have one or two rows?

[schoir]

Originally Posted by jesseborgelt

So, without taking the car apart to visually see, how is someone going to know if they have one or two rows?

As long as you are certain that the engine is original to the car, all model year 1997 to 1999 Boxsters have a dual row bearing.

If you go further and remove the transmission, you can identify a dual row bearing by a narrow IMS flange.

Model years 2000 and 2001 are a tossup as to which IMS bearing is in there. You can only be certain there by at least removing the transmission. If you find a wider, more offset IMS flange, then there is a single row bearing installed.

Regards, Maurice.

[j.fro]

On the outside chance that you can get 3-4 ounces of oil, you can send a sample to Blackstone Laboratories for an oil analysis. This will tell you exactly what's in your oil.

[haz]

Originally Posted by j.fro

On the outside chance that you can get 3-4 ounces of oil, you can send a sample to Blackstone Laboratories for an oil analysis. This will tell you exactly what's in your oil.

I'll probably find a place a lttle close to me, but yes, finding out where it comes from is something I'll do. I'll have the oilfilter later today.

[trimer]

Are you going to drive the car like this?

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by j.fro

On the outside chance that you can get 3-4 ounces of oil, you can send a sample to Blackstone Laboratories for an oil analysis. This will tell you exactly what's in your oil.

Incorrect in the cases where debris is large enough to be seen with a naked eye. In this case a particulate analysis must be done, which is not the same as a standard UOA. This can only be done by Caterpillar as it is common place with heavy equipment.

Any debris that is great enough in size or quantity to be seen with the naked eye is a serious condition. I'd not operate that engine again until an invasive inspection is carried out, to include sump removal.

With the oil filter removed insert a clean finger into the center inlet of the oil filter housing. If you find debris on your finger when inspected under direct sunlight or flash photography you have permanently damaged main and rod bearings as the debris has passed through the oil filter (via the bypass) and has been fed directly to the main and rod bearings. If this has occurred seek assistance at the next level.

[haz]

I took some photos of the oilfilter, please comment: