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Old 07-19-2013, 04:23 AM   #1
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Who makes the original Porsche water pumps?

With all the controversy about the reliability of original Porsche versus aftermarket water pumps I'd like to know which manufacturers make the "original " Porsche pumps. Many distributors shade the truth and hint that theirs are oem and it is hard to tell. Does anyone know what brands are used by Porsche? I know they do not manufacture their own.

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Just buy a Porsche OEM waterpump from Sunset Porsche for about $300. It's not that hard. Order today, have it early next week.
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#1 on Flavor 987S. You're just wasting $ is you think you're saving money trying to be cheap.
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:53 AM   #4
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Thanks for the advice, but that doesn't answer my question. I have looked at various Porsche dealers parts websites and they don't seem to even want to tell you who the manufacturer is. I want to know who makes the ones that came on the car originally. Not trying to be cheap, just want to know that I am getting what I need.
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Thanks for the advice, but that doesn't answer my question. I have looked at various Porsche dealers parts websites and they don't seem to even want to tell you who the manufacturer is. I want to know who makes the ones that came on the car originally. Not trying to be cheap, just want to know that I am getting what I need.
Why would any businessman/women disclose this proprietary information? Silly to assume they would. Do you tell your customer where you source all your stuff? Go buy a pump from Sunset or Suncoast and be done with it.
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Thanks for the advice, but that doesn't answer my question. I have looked at various Porsche dealers parts websites and they don't seem to even want to tell you who the manufacturer is. I want to know who makes the ones that came on the car originally. Not trying to be cheap, just want to know that I am getting what I need.
Actually, your question is a bit more transparent than that. If you want to be sure you are getting the OEM pump, simply buy it from a dealer; problem solved.
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Look on the Pelican Parts site. It often indicates who was the OEM.
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sound like a good question to me but Flat6 have posted here that none are really long-lasting and should be tossed out regardless of mileage every THREE YEARS. I recall something along the lines that building a stout one from billet would be the only way to make a superior one but that the price point is too high. It seems that the market will always underestimate the key role of the wp in engine failures. Probably because so few actual deal with these post mortem, if you visit a Porsche dealer they'll tell you Porsche engines never fail.

The thing tha stuck with me was that Raby said that had everyone changed their water pumps at the 3 year interval they wouldn't be in the m96 tearing apart business. My take on that was that IMSB is overblown and putting off wp replacements under-discussesd.

In other words, buy'em by the dozen...and not off the back of a truck.
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When I go to McDonald's today, I'll ask the cashier who makes your Big Mac special sauce.
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When I go to McDonald's today, I'll ask the cashier who makes your Big Mac special sauce.
you don't want to know where ANYTHING in that place comes from.
Just eat it and hope it exits your system as quickly as possible.
So the waterpump/Big Mac analogy is a good one.
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I withdraw the question. I can't believe that no one else considers this a reasonable question, and that no one seems to know the answer or even care. The thought seems to be that as long as a dealer sells it for $300 to $400 it's the best there is regardless of the manufacturer, but beware of everyone else. Just like saying my doctor says I need brain surgery and that's all I need to know, don't ask any other questions. I have seen doctors, lawyers, car dealers and people in all other walks of life that are dumb as a box of rocks and I see no reason not to get all the information I can before I make decisions.
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I withdraw the question. I can't believe that no one else considers this a reasonable question, and that no one seems to know the answer or even care. The thought seems to be that as long as a dealer sells it for $300 to $400 it's the best there is regardless of the manufacturer, but beware of everyone else. Just like saying my doctor says I need brain surgery and that's all I need to know, don't ask any other questions. I have seen doctors, lawyers, car dealers and people in all other walks of life that are dumb as a box of rocks and I see no reason not to get all the information I can before I make decisions.

I totally agree with you on this! Why not try to find the information??? If you can find the same part from the same manufacture why wouldn't you???
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Just like saying my doctor says I need brain surgery
I would agree with your doctor on this one.
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I withdraw the question. I can't believe that no one else considers this a reasonable question, and that no one seems to know the answer or even care. The thought seems to be that as long as a dealer sells it for $300 to $400 it's the best there is regardless of the manufacturer, but beware of everyone else. Just like saying my doctor says I need brain surgery and that's all I need to know, don't ask any other questions. I have seen doctors, lawyers, car dealers and people in all other walks of life that are dumb as a box of rocks and I see no reason not to get all the information I can before I make decisions.
First of all, Porsche uses more than one supplier. Secondly, for the most part, these OEM pumps are often hard to find in the aftermarket (read at retail level). Thirdly, a lot of aftermarket vendors, Pelican included, state their parts are OEM when they clearly are not. So your probability of finding the correct manufacturer's unit at a better price than you can get from a Porsche dealer like Sunset are small to none; an exercise in futility..........
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Yep - I wouldn't have chewed your head off for asking personally, unless of course there was history and you'd pi55ed me off in the past, but the answer is difficult really... They use many different suppliers for lots of things one being pumps. I'd need your vin and a load of PI work to find out exactly which was yours...

WITHOUT chewing your head off... My advice is the same as everyone else's! Buy OEM. :-)
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agree with mountain

We know which companies supply oem wipers, wheels, radios, engine mgmt systems, ACs, and pretty much everything else on these cars. Given its critical role and the highly rumored superiority of oem over aftermarket waterpumps, I would like to know just who the heck the oem suppliers are. Oem suppliers and even specs will often change over time, confusing matters more. Only if we know the actual manufacturers can we hope to tease out myth from reality and have a meaningful discussion about the lifespan of this part.
Saying "just pay the dealer and don't worry about it" is counter to the whole notion of having forums such as this, whose role is to promote the free exchange of information for the education and benefit of the entire community.
If you don't have knowledge to share but still feel the need to get your voice heard, at least try not to discount a valid question for the lack of something useful to communicate. These kind of questions give value to the forum...
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That is exactly my point. If The dealer is likely to be selling any one of a half dozen different brands how do I know I'm not getting some Chinese knockoff. Everyone jumps to price when I am trying to find a reliable manufacturer that will last 3 or 4 years so I don't have to go to the trouble of changing it again in a few months. If I knew which manufacturers Porsche uses for their factory builds then I feel like I am getting the best part I can. I don't want to replace an unreliable part because the labor on these cars is not a small thing. If I buy a pump from the dealer and It goes bad and they replace the part I am still going to have to do the labor again. Doesn't it make sense to be sure that the dealer is selling you a factory recommended part instead of something you can buy on ebay for half what the dealer charges. Forget the price, I am interested in getting the best possible part and I see no reason why I shouldn't know that it was made in a reliable factory somewhere in Germany rather than a sweatshop in Taiwan. After all, I am paying the high price for it and doing the labor, so I am entitled to know where it came from. After all we all have our favorite brand of tirea, or oil or filters, etc that we are partial to, why just go to a dealer and say give me a water pump like if he sells it it has to be the best. No one I know goes in to a tire store and says put on any tire you want to because it will automatically be the best because you sold it to me.
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Doesn't it make sense to be sure that the dealer is selling you a factory recommended part instead of something you can buy on ebay for half what the dealer charges. Forget the price, I am interested in getting the best possible part and I see no reason why I shouldn't know that it was made in a reliable factory somewhere in Germany rather than a sweatshop in Taiwan.
There are only two suppliers to my knowledge, and their units are only available through Porsche's parts distribution network, you rarely see them in the aftermarket, and even then they are more expensive than going direct. We a buy our units through Porsche, and they come in appropriate marked OEM packaging. In all the years we have been doing this, we have only ever had a few new units quickly fail, and Porsche replaced them without question; but new part failures are nothing new when using just about any OEM, from Hyundai to Ferrari, so they are a fact of life and are going to happen.

And as for buying one of flea bay, well you run some real risks there. We have had customers come to us with supposed new "OEM" water pumps in Porsche packaging they got online, only to find that when we brought out a real one, it was instantly obvious that everything (including the packaging) was a cheap knock off.

If you want to save some money and get the real deal, watch for Sunset and other lager Porsche parts dealers to have sales, which they do a couple times a year. When they do, buy the real thing and throw it on the shelf; it is one of the way we save money on inventory without sacrificing the part's quality.
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That is exactly my point. If The dealer is likely to be selling any one of a half dozen different brands how do I know I'm not getting some Chinese knockoff. Everyone jumps to price when I am trying to find a reliable manufacturer that will last 3 or 4 years so I don't have to go to the trouble of changing it again in a few months. If I knew which manufacturers Porsche uses for their factory builds then I feel like I am getting the best part I can. I don't want to replace an unreliable part because the labor on these cars is not a small thing. If I buy a pump from the dealer and It goes bad and they replace the part I am still going to have to do the labor again. Doesn't it make sense to be sure that the dealer is selling you a factory recommended part instead of something you can buy on ebay for half what the dealer charges. Forget the price, I am interested in getting the best possible part and I see no reason why I shouldn't know that it was made in a reliable factory somewhere in Germany rather than a sweatshop in Taiwan. After all, I am paying the high price for it and doing the labor, so I am entitled to know where it came from. After all we all have our favorite brand of tirea, or oil or filters, etc that we are partial to, why just go to a dealer and say give me a water pump like if he sells it it has to be the best. No one I know goes in to a tire store and says put on any tire you want to because it will automatically be the best because you sold it to me.
It's really simple. All your concerns are addressed already. Buy the OEM water pump from Sunset or Suncoast for about $300. Done. Order from Phil Coy at Sunset today (503-641-8600). I don't even talk to Phil anymore, I just send an email to philcoy@****************************************************.com. He keeps my credit card on file. Takes me less than 90 seconds to order parts. He'll ship it today. You'll have it by Wednesday. What's so hard?

Do you want my old 987S water pump? Looks good as new. $100 and I'll throw in shipping. If it fails within 1-year, I'll refund your money.
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OEM and OES are different. Unless a pump has the "Porsche P" stamped on it, we don't use it.

If people were more concerned with quality, and understood value; rather than just the cheapest price, we'd sell our parts. Thats not the case.

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