Who makes the original Porsche water pumps?

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by Flavor 987S

The OEM one's at Sunset. Did you call Phil Coy yet?

As a matter of fact I did and they have no idea who manufactures the pump they sell, only that it is stamped made in france. Is that more OEM than one made in china? He said it is definitely not the manufacturer that made the one that came on the car. It appears that you are also buying a pig in a poke like the rest of us and thinking you are getting OEM.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by mountainman

As a matter of fact I did and they have no idea who manufactures the pump they sell, only that it is stamped made in france. Is that more OEM than one made in china? He said it is definitely not the manufacturer that made the one that came on the car. It appears that you are also buying a pig in a poke like the rest of us and thinking you are getting OEM.

Except that for the occasional "out of the box" dud, they go in and seem to last, and more importantly do not have metal impellers.

Very few dealer parts departments can tell you anything about who makes any part, or even what country they originate from; they just place an order in the OEM's parts distribution computer network and wait for the part to show up.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

OEM and OES are different. Unless a pump has the "Porsche P" stamped on it, we don't use it.

If people were more concerned with quality, and understood value; rather than just the cheapest price, we'd sell our parts. Thats not the case.

The Differences Between OE OEM and OES Parts

[Jake Raby]

We have noted at least 3 different suppliers of water pumps. We buy them direct from Porsche and don't complain about the cost.

The pumps are different, not just re-branded.

That said, we change all pumps every 3 years, no matter the mileage. I just sent letters out to our engine purchasers from 2011 as a reminder to change their water pumps.

I am not big on OEM Porsche parts like most people are, in fact I'd love it if we had every part for our engines made in our network. The water pumps are worth the extra money.

As for "competition", well I took my parts store offline last year and don't care if we ever sell another component. I develop, someone else can sell it. Selling parts is boring and any keyboard warrior can do it.

All we sell is engines, built primarily from our own developed components.

[V-Rod]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

We have noted at least 3 different suppliers of water pumps. We buy them direct from Porsche and don't complain about the cost.

The pumps are different, not just re-branded.

That said, we change all pumps every 3 years, no matter the mileage. I just sent letters out to our engine purchasers from 2011 as a reminder to change their water pumps.

I am not big on OEM Porsche parts like most people are, in fact I'd love it if we had every part for our engines made in our network. The water pumps are worth the extra money.

So if I walk into a Porsche dealer and buy a water pump in a Porsche box then I can assume that it is a solid 3 years and that it is as good or better than the one that it is replacing.

Is this what you are saying Jake?

[mountainman]

Hey guys, I apologize for this whole thread. I get some great information from this forum and very much appreciate the benefit we get from it. I asked what I thought was a very valid question in hopes of getting some useful information and some have ridiculed it and taken it as an attack on their favorite Porsche dealer or Porsche in general. I thought I was asking a very simple question and did not mean for it to turn into a ridiculous pissing match. Maybe my communication skills are not as good as I thought they were. Thanks for the constructive comments.

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Hey guys, I apologize for this whole thread. I get some great information from this forum and very much appreciate the benefit we get from it. I asked what I thought was a very valid question in hopes of getting some useful information and some have ridiculed it and taken it as an attack on their favorite Porsche dealer or Porsche in general. I thought I was asking a very simple question and did not mean for it to turn into a ridiculous pissing match. Maybe my communication skills are not as good as I thought they were. Thanks for the constructive comments.

You have nothing to apologize for.

Suncoast Motorsports has mistakes on it's website that can result in you ordering a part that will not fit a 986 & they make a big hassle to return it. I now order from Sunset Porsche in OR.

[Flavor 987S]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Hey guys, I apologize for this whole thread. I get some great information from this forum and very much appreciate the benefit we get from it. I asked what I thought was a very valid question in hopes of getting some useful information and some have ridiculed it and taken it as an attack on their favorite Porsche dealer or Porsche in general. I thought I was asking a very simple question and did not mean for it to turn into a ridiculous pissing match. Maybe my communication skills are not as good as I thought they were. Thanks for the constructive comments.

No need.

I should.

Sorry for my silly comments (McDonalds and Diet Coke).

[mistermac99]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Hey guys, I apologize for this whole thread. I get some great information from this forum and very much appreciate the benefit we get from it. I asked what I thought was a very valid question in hopes of getting some useful information and some have ridiculed it and taken it as an attack on their favorite Porsche dealer or Porsche in general. I thought I was asking a very simple question and did not mean for it to turn into a ridiculous pissing match. Maybe my communication skills are not as good as I thought they were. Thanks for the constructive comments.

I thought this forum was for information sharing, to help us gain knowledge about our cars. I don't like to see this kind of treatment to a fellow member who asks a perfectly reasonable question. I've seen newbies ask all kinds of dumb questions, myself included, and didn't get this sort of harassment.

[Flavor 987S]

I really like that diet Coke product. I'm going to call into Atlanta, and see if I can find out who supplies the nutmeg and cinnamic aldehyde.

[Flavor 987S]

Mountainman, what line of work are you in? Do you tell your customers who your vendors are?

[mountainman]

It has been my experience that anyone who makes a quality product that they can be proud of and stand behind are not ashamed to put their name on it. Would you buy a tire with no name, or a car or anything else. Why a waterpump? I have owned several businesses and have never sold anything with no name on it. I like to know what I am buying and that was the whole point of this post, not to find a cheaper product or another vendor who wants to sell his product. I want to know who made the water pump that Porsche used when they assembled the engine in their factory. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[jsceash]

Here my opinion for what it worth and I'll probably get slammed for it. Porsche will sell you an OE water pump with the same flaw yours has, and then for parts sale, warrant it for 90 days. Auto Zone Napa and others sell you a quality part and warrant it for 10 year half the cost. Most of those are being made the same place your new US car pump is made Mexico, China, and Korea.

[tonycarreon]

Originally Posted by mountainman

It has been my experience that anyone who makes a quality product that they can be proud of and stand behind are not ashamed to put their name on it. Would you buy a tire with no name, or a car or anything else. Why a waterpump? I have owned several businesses and have never sold anything with no name on it. I like to know what I am buying and that was the whole point of this post, not to find a cheaper product or another vendor who wants to sell his product. I want to know who made the water pump that Porsche used when they assembled the engine in their factory. Why is that so difficult to understand?

it's not difficult to understand, but you seem to have difficulty understanding that porsche does not release that information. and i dare say part of the agreement the MFGs have with porsche, is that they do not release the information either. their customer is porsche, not you or i.

there is a name on the part, and that name is porsche.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by tonycarreon

it's not difficult to understand, but you seem to have difficulty understanding that porsche does not release that information. and i dare say part of the agreement the MFGs have with porsche, is that they do not release the information either. their customer is porsche, not you or i.

there is a name on the part, and that name is porsche.

that might make more sense to me if there were not dozens of other components in a Porsche with the manufcturers name and logo on them. Why is the water pump a secret

[Flavor 987S]

Originally Posted by mountainman

I have owned several businesses

When you owned these businesses, did you tell your current and potential customers where to purchase competitive goods & services?

Sounds silly, right?

But, that's what you want the Porsche parts department to do.

[thom4782]

Porsche, like many businesses, uses private labels for its parts to support the high prices (and margins) charged by dealers. It's simply a business strategy that either works or it doesn't. If the OEM supplier becomes known, then the strategy becomes less successful.

I agree with many posters that buying genuine Porsche parts is appropriate for critical parts where the consequences of a parts failure is especially costly to the owner. My own view is that the water pump is one of those critical parts.

That said, others may have a different risk calculus than me. If they want to take the risk and buy from an OEM part from a source other than Porsche, I see it entirely reasonable for them to ask fellow forum members if they know the name of the water pump OEM.

[particlewave]

Never mind. I'm staying out of this one

[thom4782]

I don't know who actually is the OEM water pump supplier. Pelican Parts suggests it's Pierburg. Maybe the P stamp on the part stands for Pierburg not Porsche. Just saying...

[particlewave]

He's not asking for a competitor. He's asking about the OE manufacturer so that he can make sure that he gets the right one. I'm sorry, but you're being completely ridiculous about the whole thing. There's nothing wrong with ensuring that you're actually getting OE parts. Just because a company says that a product is OE does not necessarily mean that it is. Humans do this thing called lying

It was a perfectly valid question. Why are you taking it so personal?