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Old 07-08-2012, 07:51 PM   #1
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100+ mph in 3rd gear, so why...

The other day, I had a great, empty straightaway. My 2002 base Boxster hit 104+ mph in 3rd gear without redlining.

With this fact in mind, why the heck would I need a "S?" I can rarely use the full performance of my 10-year old base Boxster.

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Old 07-08-2012, 08:48 PM   #2
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:25 PM   #3
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This was posted a bit back over on Renntech:

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You can calculate the approx ground speed at fuel cut off for all gears as follows:

5 sp. forward gears (std 17" tyres)

("current engine rpm"/1000)*5*("transmission gear#")= "x" mpg

i.e. for 3rd gear at redline (7200/1000)*5*(3)=108 mpg

I've noticed that interesting relationship before while driving; the gears are almost exactly evenly separated so you can approx groundspeed knowing only rpm and gear. This is for the 5sp only on the Boxster std.
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I agree for street driving why would you need a S ;-)

*** Now for all the owners of an S to chime in ****
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:35 PM   #4
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Why wouldn't you want an S? What part of more power, more torque, and closer gear ratios would a person not like?
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:40 PM   #5
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5 speed...

- 1st gear 3.50
- 2nd gear 2.118
- 3rd gear 1.429
- 4th gear 1.029 G86/00 (1.09 G86/01)
- 5th gear 0.79 G86/00 (0.838 G86/01)
- Final Drive 3.89 G86/00 (3.56 G86/01)

6 speed...

- 1st gear 3.818
- 2nd gear 2.20
- 3rd gear 1.516
- 4th gear 1.216
- 5th gear 1.024
- 6th gear 0.841
- Final drive 3.444

Type those numbers into this page and you can see exactly what the advantage is...
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:52 PM   #6
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Yeah, I love that I can go from 30 - 100mph in 3rd..still my favorite gear!

No thanks! Base is PLENTY!
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:42 AM   #7
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Nothing wrong with a base car, nothing bad about having extra "S" grunt either. The difference in acceleration is easy to feel and fun to experience, it's easy to quickly pass. I miss winding the motor hard as doing so in the Spyder produces jail term speeds but I love the car and have fun each drive just like I did in the base. Believe it or not, I think the seats are a huge part of the driving experience in the spyder, cushioned yet planted, you feel like you're driving a fitted dress shoe.

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Old 07-09-2012, 09:11 AM   #8
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I agree that 3rd gear is plenty amazing for accelerating to well above legal speeds in a heartbeat!

Here is data for all gears (5sp manual) from the owners manual:

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Old 07-09-2012, 09:44 AM   #9
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There is nothing wrong with a base car but there is no substitute for horse power, the S is more exhilarating than a base model and don't forget that an S has much better brakes to slow you down from 100-30

My suggestion would be to never drive an S or newer model than what you already own because you will probably won't want to go back
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:04 AM   #10
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Yeah, I guess my point would be that not everyone is obsessed with going faster...I've certainly never pushed mine to the limit and probably never will. So...yes, your "s" is almighty and super duper, but I'm happy and will probably never drive one.
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Yeah, I guess my point would be that not everyone is obsessed with going faster...I've certainly never pushed mine to the limit and probably never will. So...yes, your "s" is almighty and super duper, but I'm happy and will probably never drive one.
+5 Me too !!!!! Would never wind my car out like that.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:16 AM   #12
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Pwave, I don't think he was lauding his S over the base, nobody dirts anyone's ride around here. All I know is when you do choose to speed, getting up there and back faster has it's advantages in avoiding night court. It's also incredible for highway passing. Think of the prized third gear effect all the time.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #13
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More horsepower is almost always a good thing when buying a used car (as is newer and fewer miles). But there are a lot of other considerations that owners take into account when buying a car.

In my case, I wanted to be able to race in the Boxster Spec classes and only base 2.5L cars are currently allowed. This might change in the near future with a Super Boxster class for the S models but this was a deciding factor of my selection of a 1999 base model.
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So you don't ever have to wonder how an "S" might be better and experience "S" envy.

More braking power with the bigger disks on an "S" plus the extra radiator for added cooling.

The extra Torque is always nice to have at your command at slower rev's, although stickier tires will be the next thing you want along with the extra torque as I discovered this morning when I gave it a little kick in the pants at the lights to get me to work on time and lost traction grip on the road.
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I didn't mean to sound negative...

I do have a tiny bit of "s" envy, but not enough to buy one. One Porsche is expensive enough, lol! I'll just make sure that I never drive one and remain in my ignorant bliss!
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:24 PM   #16
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While I own and love an S, the idea that the larger front calipers provide "greater braking power" or some such is fallacious. The base car has plenty of brake to invoke ABS to kick in, and after that you are at the mercy of your tires' cumulative traction. Make your brakes the size of trashcan lids and it won't help one bit.

The advantage is better heat dissipation, important for track work, but immaterial to this discussion about braking performance getting back down from 130 to 65 quickly.

And of course, the S does ship with wider and presumably grippier tires, so the actual stopping distance of a new S could be a little shorter than that of a new base.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:12 PM   #17
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The brakes on the 986 are monoblock in design, a first in production at the time, at least that's what I read; they were derived from racing. In any event I've never driven a Porsche with bad brakes. Even the '73 911T had good brakes, 944? same awesome. Then again, as a complete contrast point I owned both an opel Kadette and a Mustang II so I can truly appreciate what we all have for stopping power.

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Old 07-09-2012, 02:34 PM   #18
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I absolutely know what you "S" guys are saying. Mostly because I drove the 2013 Boxster S last month on a track at the Porsche World Road Show. It was my favorite of all the Porsches I drove there -- including two 911s. Power, agility, handling, stability, braking, speed, acceleration ... you name it! The new Boxster S has it in spades.

But I don't race and rarely get to do a track day, so that's why I'm very happy with my '02 base Boxster. It's got all the juice I need for a street sports car. (But believe me, I am NOT against S's or any other species of Porsche!
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:23 PM   #19
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I loved driving the base but yes, driving an S will spoil you in a hurry! If when you are looking and an "S" comes along at a great price, don't hesitate! I'm glad that I did Now, if the other Base Boxsters that I was looking at had checked out ok, I would have been fine with one of them as well. Bottom line, Base or S, it's just a fun car to drive!
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I love the torque of my S to get me up hills but the base 2.5L I drove for several days in Tasmania was good enough to convince me that I needed a Boxster. Base guys shouldn't feel bad in the slightest...

..until I pull up next to you at the lights, naturally.

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