Techno Torque 2

[Kirk]

Originally Posted by Bobiam

I just read the Tech Q&A column in PCA's Porsche Panorama mag of Aug 2009. Someone wrote in to ask about the RSS IPD plenum product that was tested in the video. SNIP

So, there is little evidence that the IPD product is worth anything, much less $1000+, and I'm not yet convienced that Pedro's product can provide a performance increase that is really noticable.

The Panorama Q&A answer was poorly researched, if at all. The writer admitted no knowledge of the IPD plenum and then went on to remark on dyno testing in general rather than specifically addressing the readers question about the plenum. I was very disappointed by the lack of effort that was put into this answer to actually research the product and address the root question.

As such, I would not take these comments as a negative blow to the IPD product or Pedro's product. The answer simply gave good information about dyno tests in general and how the results can vary, but it did not address the product in question or how that product was specifically tested.

Kirk

[chaudanova]

any new updates/reviews on the techno torque?

How does this compare to the RSS/IPD Plenum? The plenum guys seem to make good power throughout the powerband.

I know it's not the same comparison, but looking here at their dyno chart for the Cayman S IPD/RSS Plenum, there were gains everywhere, with ~24hp and ~19ft-lb torque peak...

http://www.roadsportsupply.com/images/Dyno_Specs/Caymen_S_87500_Dyno_Specs.jpg

I'm wondering though, how come with Pedro's splitter/plenum, he says 6-8ft-lb at lower rpms with not much gain for the higher rpm hp? The RSS plenum seems to get the gains from low to mid, and high rpms...

thoughts anyone?

[23109VC]

i'd also like to hear about some "seat of the pants" evaluations of this mod.

these are the kind of mods that would potentially be great "bang for the buck" mods. something that requires minimal effort to put in, costs not that much, and potentially can make enough power that you could actually detect it via the "butt dyno".....

i'm anxious to hear some real world reviews...

[Kirk]

Originally Posted by chaudanova

any new updates/reviews on the techno torque?

Jake Raby just ran a couple dyno curves with and without the techno torque. But he gave the curves to Pedro and we're all waiting for them to be posted.... Nothing yet.

If you watch the video of the RSS/IPD dyno day you'll see that most cars also made around a 24 HP increase in power, but it was not consistent across the entire rev range. At max HP the average seemed to be only around a 6 HP gain. Still not bad though.

Kirk

[sb01box]

Originally Posted by chaudanova

any new updates/reviews on the techno torque?

How does this compare to the RSS/IPD Plenum? The plenum guys seem to make good power throughout the powerband.

I know it's not the same comparison, but looking here at their dyno chart for the Cayman S IPD/RSS Plenum, there were gains everywhere, with ~24hp and ~19ft-lb torque peak...

http://www.roadsportsupply.com/images/Dyno_Specs/Caymen_S_87500_Dyno_Specs.jpg

I'm wondering though, how come with Pedro's splitter/plenum, he says 6-8ft-lb at lower rpms with not much gain for the higher rpm hp? The RSS plenum seems to get the gains from low to mid, and high rpms...

thoughts anyone?

the air flow diagram shown by Pedro shows deliberate/smooth routing of the air on the bottom side, the top side is not contoured due to the use of stock intake tubing. IPD replaces this with smooth Y design all around. it's logical that if the top surface is equally contoured, additional 2X gain may be realized.
Ratio of IPD to Pedro is roughly 2X, Pedro's mod affects only 1/2 of the pipe, IPD mods entire ID of the pipe.

[Bobiam]

I'm following this thread and waiting for some good feedback from Pedro and IPD customers. If nobody is so impressed as to take the time to comment about it here, I'll take that as a negative opinion and figure that they are embarassed to tell us that they sepnt their money on a useless mod.
That sounds like a tough way to view it, but what else can I do? I'm just not in a position to spend the $s based on charts and graphs that are under the control or influence of the product manufacturers.

I want to hear from several forum contributers.

For that matter, I want the manufacturers of both products to offer a clear satisfaction guarantee. If I'm not reasonably imporessed I would not want to keep the product or argue about returning it. These are tough financial times and I'm a tough consumer.

Bob

[Franco]

Originally Posted by Bobiam

I'm following this thread and waiting for some good feedback from Pedro and IPD customers. If nobody is so impressed as to take the time to comment about it here, I'll take that as a negative opinion and figure that they are embarassed to tell us that they sepnt their money on a useless mod.
That sounds like a tough way to view it, but what else can I do? I'm just not in a position to spend the $s based on charts and graphs that are under the control or influence of the product manufacturers.

I want to hear from several forum contributers.

For that matter, I want the manufacturers of both products to offer a clear satisfaction guarantee. If I'm not reasonably imporessed I would not want to keep the product or argue about returning it. These are tough financial times and I'm a tough consumer.

Bob

Hi, I agree 100%

[23109VC]

you know, IIRC, someone on this forum posted that he called Pedro to order one of the techno torque's and Pedro sent him the item BEFORE he paid, and basically said "pay me when you get it"...or something oike that...

now I have no idea if that is something he does for everyone, or if this was a repeated customer and he did him a favor - but that sounds to me - to essentially be a "100% satisfaction" promise and th en some... send the customer the product and then ask for payment later..... if you don't like it, i guess you send it back instead of a check...

maybe Pedro can have a payment method called "bill me later" like the magazines do.... at least he coudl do that for the first handful of products.... the goal in the business world is to get yoru stuff out there. if 25 986 owners got this item tomorrow, and then posted honest opinions -a nd they were 99% positive... logic would tend to suggest he would sell another 75 of them....

how many 986 members are on this site? his product fits on the majority of the cars that are owned by members who frequest this site.... do the math.

you might want to move some of these FAST pedro.... tell you what.. send me one for FREE and I'll give you my honest opinion... hahahaahhahaa

[Burg Boxster]

Bobiam & Franco-

In post # 3 of this thread, you'll see one is installed in my '99 and has been for more than 3 months now. I did then and do now give it a huge thumbs up! The difference is very noticeable and a few people who have driven my car since I installed noticed the difference as well. None of them knew I had even put it in but commented blindly about it to me after driving. So I've posted my impressions here in this thread and others as well on some other Boxster boards.

That being said, and w/ or w/o times being economically tough, a lot of people do not do much modding w/ intake systems other than adding an aftermkt filter (a la K&N etc.). Some will put a cold air intake on but otherwise the mods typically stop there. Thus why there's not a ton of feedback on the part. It's a newer area to fiddle around w/ and personally, I'm surprised it's not really looked at even more (though Porsche tweaked it again for the 987s vs 986.2 which was tweaked vs 986.1).

As I said previously, I won mine so I don't have to say positive things just to feel good about $ spent b/c I'm not out anything. Plus, knowing Pedro's more than generous return policy (quoting Bobiam earlier in this thread: "Considering Pedro's return policy, the only loss if a buyer is dissatisfied is one way shipping cost and a few hours labor."), I really don't see what's to lose (other than 1 hour installing, 2hrs if you subsequently remove, and $10 shipping)?

At this point since others are not providing feedback to your satisfaction, why not become a leaders instead of a followers waiting on the sidelines? Buy one, test it out for yourselves and post your results.

[rob76turbo]

Originally Posted by Burg Boxster

At this point since others are not providing feedback to your satisfaction, why not become a leaders instead of a followers waiting on the sidelines? Buy one, test it out for yourselves and post your results.

Ah....the proverbial put your money where your mouth is....I like it!