virus prediction

[maytag]

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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[L8-apex]

This wins everything. Buy the man a beer.

Originally Posted by maytag

I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by maytag

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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Please don’t be little veterans, I did not add that to try to add weight to my opinion. I am proud to have spent my life serving in the military.

I have no problem with anyones opinion, but the choice to wear a mask or not affects other people to the point that if you infect someone and kill them because you chose not to wear a mask to keep germs to yourself and they die how would you feel? The issue with this virus it affects everyone differently.

I will get down off the soap box now!

[flmont]

Don't forget That the virus can now affect you thru your eye's according to Dr. Fauci,
So..Now What ,.soon it will be thru your ears,.I wear a mask as required by my employer and if a store require's it and I WANT to go to that store then I do,..I don't endanger anyone,.My comment is a make your own choice statement,.I think if ( God forbid) Joe Biden wins then the virus will be over,.However they could then stay on course to Socialism because people do as they are told,I believe a politician said the problem with democracy is everybody has a voice.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

Please don’t be little veterans, I did not add that to try to add weight to my opinion. I am proud to have spent my life serving in the military.



I have no problem with anyones opinion, but the choice to wear a mask or not affects other people to the point that if you infect someone and kill them because you chose not to wear a mask to keep germs to yourself and they die how would you feel? The issue with this virus it affects everyone differently.



I will get down off the soap box now!

I sent this as a pm, but decided I'd better stick it here.

That you think my comment was belittling to veterans proves you're doing EXACTLY what I was suggesting you were doing: assuming your military service is more valuable than others'.

Any idea how many veterans we've got on this forum? Me either, but I know it's more than just you and me, and I know they / we all have different opinions about things. Your military service and sacrifice is appreciated.... as is that of the others, who disagree with you on this topic.

Read my comment again. ;-)

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[rexcramer]

The USA is 4% of the world's population. The USA's death rate represents +/- 20% of the ROW's deaths. Even if that number is over stated by 50%, we still have too high of a mortality rate comparatively. We (USA) are clearly doing something wrong.

I have a co-worker who has been in/out of the hospital twice since early March. Another got sick and took it home to his wife, kid's and in-laws. Fortunately, nobody I know has died from this yet. Wearing an N95 mask is required for me at work. I also wear one in public when I'm not at work. It's simple, easy and I don't want to be the cause of somebody else's illness. The notion that it impinges on 'my rights' is nonsensical and selfish. A lot of us have elderly parents (mom is 83) I would gladly wear a mask to protect her and or your parents.

I hear people complaining about the 'sacrifices' they are being forced to make. Ask somebody who lived thru WWII about sacrifices, i.e. 'ration coupons/stamps', etc. Imagine only being allowed to buy one set of tires for your car each year?

I don't care what flavor Kool-aid you drink, you can still wear a mask and vote for Donald.

[2ata]

Originally Posted by rexcramer

The USA is 4% of the world's population. The USA's death rate represents +/- 20% of the ROW's deaths. Even if that number is over stated by 50%, we still have too high of a mortality rate comparatively. We (USA) are clearly doing something wrong.

I have a co-worker who has been in/out of the hospital twice since early March. Another got sick and took it home to his wife, kid's and in-laws. Fortunately, nobody I know has died from this yet. Wearing an N95 mask is required for me at work. I also wear one in public when I'm not at work. It's simple, easy and I don't want to be the cause of somebody else's illness. The notion that it impinges on 'my rights' is nonsensical and selfish. A lot of us have elderly parents (mom is 83) I would gladly wear a mask to protect her and or your parents.

I hear people complaining about the 'sacrifices' they are being forced to make. Ask somebody who lived thru WWII about sacrifices, i.e. 'ration coupons/stamps', etc. Imagine only being allowed to buy one set of tires for your car each year?

I don't care what flavor Kool-aid you drink, you can still wear a mask and vote for Donald.

Fat population with high rate of co-morbidities.........

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by maytag

I sent this as a pm, but decided I'd better stick it here.

That you think my comment was belittling to veterans proves you're doing EXACTLY what I was suggesting you were doing: assuming your military service is more valuable than others'.

Any idea how many veterans we've got on this forum? Me either, but I know it's more than just you and me, and I know they / we all have different opinions about things. Your military service and sacrifice is appreciated.... as is that of the others, who disagree with you on this topic.

Read my comment again. ;-)

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I replied via pm but Public notice I wasn’t saying my Service has more importance than anyone else just background on my self.

I am not posting my opinion about mask it’s a proven fact that wearing a mask helps contain the spread of the virus.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

I am not posting my opinion about mask it’s a proven fact that wearing a mask helps contain the spread of the virus.

With all due rspect for your service to our country... you're not a mask expert.

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

With all due rspect for your service to our country... you're not a mask expert.

With all due respect, he doesn't need to be and most of us aren't. But he and most of us do LISTEN to the ACTUAL experts.

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by Starter986

With all due rspect for your service to our country... you're not a mask expert.

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Maybe I am a mask expert by now I have read OSHA standards concerning masks and the CDC standards and slept at a Holiday Inn Express! lol

Seriously I never claimed to be a mask expert. However, the fact that the spread of the virus is reduced when measures such as social distancing, hand washing, and Wearing Face Coverings has been published for non-expert consumption.


I watched the news here showing bodies of dead so numerous they had to open refrigerated storage in the Ice Arenas and other large cold storage facilities to hold the bodies. That was because the morgs were saturated. So I do feel any measure that may help keep this virus slowed down is a good thing.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by Starter986

With all due rspect for your service to our country... you're not a mask expert.

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Apparently (with all due respect) neither are you. First off, don’t know where you got that graphic with the wonderful display of various types of masks, but it is clearly inaccurate. Smallpox and HIV have killed many, many millions of people; I don’t think covid’s hit a million yet. The thing that makes covid such a problem (in addition to its mortality) is how incredibly contagious it is. The stuff spreads like wildfire.

Secondly, not sure what your point is with that image? That the surgical type masks that people are generally wearing these days (those who choose to wear them, that is) are not up to the task? Well, granting that we still have a ways to go in our knowledge on this particular virus, the consensus among medical people, those who have a significantly better understanding of these things than most of us will ever hope to, is that they are in fact effective and helpful.

I’ve got an old friend, have known since the ‘70s, medical doctor, infectious disease guy. A Professor Emeritus (Medicine: Infectious Disease and International Health), he has spent 40 years as a medical scholar, investigator and instructor, teaching infectious disease, medicine and neurosurgery at University of Virginia. The guy’s contributed to hundreds of peer-reviewed articles, edited over a dozen books and has served on editorial boards of several medical journals. The man’s long since established his credentials in my book, and he is a colleague/friend of Dr Fauci, and a follower of his recommendations with regard to fighting this pandemic. When he’s out and about? He wears a mask. That’s all the persuasion I need.

[flmont]

,..I will agree this Virus is unique, But you cant wear a mask forever to protect yourself from the winds of a virus mask may slow it down but it wont stop it,Heat was suppose to kill it,I live in Tucson, Az way past 100 Deg's A day for weeks and the numbers went up,I don't trust the numbers, or the way all this Virus protection has been conducted, I.E. Symptoms : headache,muscle soreness, coughing, temperature, fatigue, stiffness, I get all of that with the common Flu, I just don't trust the Government to tell me what's best when they don't even know,its that simple for me,The Obama/Biden ticket,sure didn't create a very quick recovery from the housing bubble crash,I think they or Obama seen that as a way to Fundamentally change America as he so elegantly stated ( the way he wants it's).Once he benefitted from America's success ,.Law school,then to government,.He didn't want the same for ALL American's or he would have done what Trump has done,..open up the economy and cut taxes, and the regulations that only hurt America,..Trump is no secret Genius,.any politician that wants a successful country would do exactly what he did,.Iam sure Bernie and Cortez will be wonderful for PA,.If you can drive your car on seaweed..or Sunlight have fun

[flmont]

George Floyd,..this is most certainly a shameful thing on those police officer's( no matter who's neck it was),That justice should be between Mr.Floyd's family and that Police department, period..It's not just cause to ruin other's livelihood, and property, It just goes to show how people are being raised and educated to hate everything in this country because they weren't handed success or taught respect for other's,.. it's said, You get out of life what you put into it ,Protesting is a way to be heard,.to change thing's, you actually need to make an effort in the proper direction,..8 yrs of Obama/Biden why wasn't there change, they complain the most !! and do nothing because they like to create chaos, How's that for another Political statement !

Soap box now folded up and put away ! ( My apologies to anyone I may have offended )

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by flmont

George Floyd,..this is most certainly a shameful thing on those police officer's( no matter who's neck it was),That justice should be between Mr.Floyd's family and that Police department, period..It's not just cause to ruin other's livelihood, and property, It just goes to show how people are being raised and educated to hate everything in this country because they weren't handed success or taught respect for other's,.. it's said, You get out of life what you put into it ,Protesting is a way to be heard,.to change thing's, you actually need to make an effort in the proper direction,..8 yrs of Obama/Biden why wasn't there change, they complain the most !! and do nothing because they like to create chaos, How's that for another Political statement !

Soap box now folded up and put away ! ( My apologies to anyone I may have offended )

What a joke!

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by flmont

George Floyd,..this is most certainly a shameful thing on those police officer's( no matter who's neck it was),That justice should be between Mr.Floyd's family and that Police department, period..It's not just cause to ruin other's livelihood, and property, It just goes to show how people are being raised and educated to hate everything in this country because they weren't handed success or taught respect for other's,.. it's said, You get out of life what you put into it ,Protesting is a way to be heard,.to change thing's, you actually need to make an effort in the proper direction,..8 yrs of Obama/Biden why wasn't there change, they complain the most !! and do nothing because they like to create chaos, How's that for another Political statement !

Soap box now folded up and put away ! ( My apologies to anyone I may have offended )

Offended anyone? Oh, you mean Pipe! "That" anyone? Screw him.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by flmont

,..I will agree this Virus is unique, But you cant wear a mask forever to protect yourself from the winds of a virus mask may slow it down but it wont stop it,Heat was suppose to kill it,

Ahhh.. Only Rump told you that heat will kill it. Not the scientists. "In a few days it'll go away," he said. "When it gets warm it'll magically disappear." Remember that?

We only have to wear masks until a vaccine is discovered. Not forever.

And yes, the mask will slow it down. That's mostly the point! Slowing it down means the hospitals won't get inundated with patients all at once. Geesh, man! We've already gone over this. Why is it so difficult for some people to get it!?

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by flmont

,..I will agree this Virus is unique, But you cant wear a mask forever to protect yourself from the winds of a virus mask may slow it down but it wont stop it,Heat was suppose to kill it,I live in Tucson, Az way past 100 Deg's A day for weeks and the numbers went up,I don't trust the numbers, or the way all this Virus protection has been conducted, I.E. Symptoms : headache,muscle soreness, coughing, temperature, fatigue, stiffness, I get all of that with the common Flu, I just don't trust the Government to tell me what's best when they don't even know,its that simple for me,The Obama/Biden ticket,sure didn't create a very quick recovery from the housing bubble crash,I think they or Obama seen that as a way to Fundamentally change America as he so elegantly stated ( the way he wants it's).Once he benefitted from America's success ,.Law school,then to government,.He didn't want the same for ALL American's or he would have done what Trump has done,..open up the economy and cut taxes, and the regulations that only hurt America,..Trump is no secret Genius,.any politician that wants a successful country would do exactly what he did,.Iam sure Bernie and Cortez will be wonderful for PA,.If you can drive your car on seaweed..or Sunlight have fun

Well said. You're on the list (I'll get to that someday).

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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Ha ha, Maytag! I wish I was closer to Utah so I could buy you a beverage of your choice! Jim Carey? I love it! Thank you, I'll take it as a complement. Yes, I posted a lot, but it's to respond to each individual comment. I joined roughly 1.5 years ago, you joined 2.5 years ago yet I have about 1/2 the total posts you do. So I'm actually lagging behind your post rate! And I noticed, by the way, you didn't dispute my reply to you. No, you're not wrong about everything. Just 90, maybe 95% tops! J/K! Seriously, I have great respect for you, bud. Please don't stop trying to spread kumbaya!

Now to condense my posts, I'll do a 2-fer one and reply to flmont.

But first let it be known that I was not the one who started the political side of this discussion.

flmont. First, where have you been? Dr. Fauci has ALWAYS said you can get it through your eyes. That is by having contaminated hands and touching your eyes, in addition to nose and mouth. If someone's spittle or vapor enters your eyes, you can also contract the disease. That's all the more reason that masks are for the protection of others, not yourself. So I wear a mask to protect YOU, and you wear a mask to protect ME. See how it works?

Second, you said 'God forbid' Biden gets elected and went on some rant about socialism. We've had an Obama/Biden administration for 8 years and they pulled us out of the jaws of a 2nd great depression. I doubt you can claim with a straight face that we fell into the depths of socialism then. But even if your worst suspicion is true that Biden is somehow a closet socialist, I'd rather have socialism than the narcissistic fascist wannabe authoritarian jackass we have now. And if you want, I can go point by point to prove every adjective I used to describe him is true. But you already know that. You're not dumb.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by maytag

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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What a guy!!