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[CHRISP357]

[QUOTE=pilut2;495786]Wow! You are an angry man! I hope you aren't packing! Giller is not a miserable little coward, and judging from his posts- he isn't stupid either. He and I live in a society where self defense is rarely a concern. We don't need to carry concealed weapons or go to sleep with baseball bats under our pillows. One of the main reasons that we don't is because most people aren't armed, up here in Canada. There is no possible way that being allowed to carry a gun makes the general population safer. Although, I can certainly understand why you would feel the need to carry when everyone else is.

BTW. When you call someone stupid it is best to use the correct "to" in your sentence. Otherwise it makes you look a little stupid.[/QUOTE

I typed in "to" rather than "too". Wonderful catch Sir. You win! Your opinion shall now be mine!

[CHRISP357]

Although, this does raise an interesting question and, with all due respect:

You (and others) seem to feel fine with C&C and carrying in the car... ok. Can't say I'm really bothered by what you and others do. Hasn't impacted my life in any way, and I hope that my life will continue to be conflict free. Yet, didn't we see a post or thread some time ago about you not locking your door to the house? Getting confronted by someone or something during the wee hours of the morn? Having this been, not the first time...? I guess, I'm just confused. You (others) feel you need a gun with you, fine. But, you don't feel obligated to lock your house? That I don't get. I mean, if it is purely a security thing... with the gun toting... why isn't the door locked? Do the other carrying members feel the same way? Do they not lock their house? Is this something that's forgotten, or somehow less important than being out in the wild and possible piece-less?

Sure, maybe you forgot (this one time) and my recall may not be 100%, but were I to feel certain that my life is better when carrying, I would think I would make damn sure my house was also locked every night (yah never know when the "Elders" or "sisters" may come a-knockin' with their backpacks and bicycles... and convert yah with their promises of your own planet in the afterlife Or worse yet, the "solar" dealers or exterminators... I'll be honest, I can't count how many times I'm getting knocks on the door by people claiming they did the lawn care for this house for the previous owner. Guy had a payroll of 14 different companies if I believe what they tell me!). Alarmed, too. Hell, I can't count (yes, I like to count) the times I've circled back around to make sure the garage was closed and it didn't "pop" up for some electrical reason. That may be me, though. What do the other pro-carriers think? Am I the only one that is confused by this math?[/QUOTE]

Everyone has their own way of living but if my Daughter is home, my house is locked. If I'm gone or alone, often unlocked. Not much of a burglary problem here and everything is insured. If a friend may need something it doesn't bother me to leave it open. (Although, to be honest, I lock the keys to my Porsche in one of the safes. I trust my friends with my house, tools, etc. but not so much with my car...)
The gun, I wear all the time. If you carry a gun it needs to be very natural/normal and familiar. I don't believe I'll ever have to produce it in public but I would never bet my life or my Daughters life on that.

[BRAN]

Guys, guys...relax
We all should not believe unconditionally everything we read or see.
Information vs. disinformation
public opinion/information vs. published opinion/information

...but there is no reason to become paranoid...lol

UNODC = united nations office on drugs and crime
Most dangerous countries in the world:
Venezuela
Guatemala
Columbia
South Africa
Jamaica

OECD country ranking:
Brasil
Russia
Mexico

And it is true, that the homicide numbers are declining in the U.S. (source UNODC website - data is 3 years old now) Licensed gun owners seem to be statisically "almost" neglectable.

homicide per 100.000 citizens
Germany = 0.8
U.K. = 1.2
Canada = 1.6
U.S.A = 4.7

Keep doors locked at all times, don't "invite" (or make it easy for) anyone to commit a crime.
Lets hope, that gun owners will never have to use it in their lifetime, statistically it seems to be the case.

Thank you for the "conversation", was interesting and I learned something, which is always good.
Personally, I wouldn't get that emotional about "that kinda stuff", but to each their own

[clabar1]

I'm a newbe on this forum and thank you all for the great information and advice. I am also an old fart retired guy, former SF, Cop(SWAT), Instructor,Teacher, Adj.Prof., Contractor... ad nauseam.
I have carried a firearm for 50 yrs., mostly concealed, and I found your self- presentation can defuse most situations. If you act like a victim you become one. I believe everyone should defend themselves and others when necessary, but just toting a smoke-pole isn't the answer. Become ONE with your weapon, practice every chance you get, and become better every practice or you become complaisant. Learn retention, disarming techniques, and practice drawing from you carry holster(?) or whatever. Learn to identify and neutralize the threat within 1-2 sec. or you become a statistic. It is a mind-set. Showing your **************** and talking **************** is just that. Keep your **************** close and know how to use it. Don't flaunt it! Learn to walk the walk and you will be much happier and safer. Any punk can snatch a smoke-pole from a vehicle in seconds. Stupid Idea folks.


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[clabar1]

I'm a newbe on this forum and thank you all for the great information and advice. I am also an old fart retired guy, former SF, Cop(SWAT), Instructor,Teacher, Adj.Prof., Contractor... ad nauseam.
I have carried a firearm for 50 yrs., mostly concealed, and I found your self- presentation can defuse most situations. If you act like a victim you become one. I believe everyone should defend themselves and others when necessary, but just toting a smoke-pole isn't the answer. Become ONE with your weapon, practice every chance you get, and become better every practice or you become complaisant. Learn retention, disarming techniques, and practice drawing from you carry holster(?) or whatever. Learn to identify and neutralize the threat within 1-2 sec. or you become a statistic. It is a mind-set. Showing your **************** and talking **************** is just that. Keep your **************** close and know how to use it. Don't flaunt it! Learn to walk the walk and you will be much happier and safer. Any punk can snatch a smoke-pole from a vehicle in seconds. Stupid Idea folks.

[stelan]

What would be very cool is to have the cubby in the front console have a door that looks like an old school equalizer and that moving the levers to the right position (like those combination locks) it would pop the door and slide the gun out, too bad I have soo little time to play with something like that

[Pdwight]

Originally Posted by clabar1

I'm a newbe on this forum and thank you all for the great information and advice. I am also an old fart retired guy, former SF, Cop(SWAT), Instructor,Teacher, Adj.Prof., Contractor... ad nauseam.
I have carried a firearm for 50 yrs., mostly concealed, and I found your self- presentation can defuse most situations. If you act like a victim you become one. I believe everyone should defend themselves and others when necessary, but just toting a smoke-pole isn't the answer. Become ONE with your weapon, practice every chance you get, and become better every practice or you become complaisant. Learn retention, disarming techniques, and practice drawing from you carry holster(?) or whatever. Learn to identify and neutralize the threat within 1-2 sec. or you become a statistic. It is a mind-set. Showing your **************** and talking **************** is just that. Keep your **************** close and know how to use it. Don't flaunt it! Learn to walk the walk and you will be much happier and safer. Any punk can snatch a smoke-pole from a vehicle in seconds. Stupid Idea folks.

I am a fan Sir

Dwight

[Timco]

So just this AM. Sitting outside my shop. Really bad shape Subaru wagon pulls up very close to my drivers side. One black guy, ragged clothes and hair. "Hey, man. What kind of car is that??"

Now, I'm a car guy. I like other car guys. This guy was not a car guy. He never once looked at my car, he just tried to look at me in the cab of the small car. He could tell I was fidgeting a bit and seemed concerned as he sat a bit higher in his seat. As I tell him it's a Porsche and no, it's not $100k, he says was that new? I say no, it's 2004. "So like $100k for a 04? " just requoting my words. Finally there's a pause, he looks me in the eyes, then drives off.

I'll add this. To the Canadians, we have something here in all major cities called desperation. Be it addiction, food, or a tooth brush, there's desperation. That means there are people here that will use any situation that suits them to kill / rob you for what you have on you right now...and will not care about what they just did or to whom they did it. That's the bottom line. I don't carry to defend myself from other guns, it's this guy I worry about. I didn't wave anything in his face, no "clip dump", no warnings given. Had he raised his hand quickly, I would have drawn and made my decision to kill him between hidden and pointed based on his actions. When you're in an alley like that, where stolen cars get dumped regularly, nobody belongs down there. Nothing good happens down there.





This was my view. For the Canadians, it's OK. Para Ordinance is made in Canada, eh...

[clabar1]

Timco,
You sound like a very attentive guy. Keep you smoke on your hip so you don't waste time digging for it. Always maintain eye contact on their hands, not their faces, and remember you had better see a visible threat before smoking a scrote. I have considerable knowledge about shoot situations (Civilian/Military). The liberals are changing the ROE daily. Don't waste a scrote in vain.



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[Timco]

Originally Posted by clabar1

Timco,
You sound like a very attentive guy. Keep you smoke on your hip so you don't waste time digging for it. Always maintain eye contact on their hands, not their faces, and remember you had better see a visible threat before smoking a scrote. I have considerable knowledge about shoot situations (Civilian/Military). The liberals are changing the ROE daily. Don't waste a scrote in vain.



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I've never taken classes but shoot easily 100 pistol rounds a week to bi-weekly. This guy was higher than me, so no sight on his hands. That's why it was very tense. Babble and stupid small talk while he assessed me. Now, I'm not going to kill him over sneezing, but if he had motioned more or moved like lifting a pistol I was ready. It was very tense is all I can say.

I've carried plenty, but never carry into the public's homes because I refuse to be like the local gay population and shove it in anyone's face that I'm legally allowed. Many people don't like armed citizens and so be it. There's things I don't like. Issue is I've never found a holster I like (paddle style) and I never wear a belt, so it's new to me to carry. I'm not looking to save the public, or anyone else but me and my family.

Same topic. How do we suppose these criminals get guns? I'd say finding them in a car is #1, then in home burglaries.

Two weeks back. Sitting in that truck, right where the car is. Guy in white car way off in distance. So what. Commercial area. Then he passes me. I don't even look, so what. Then I see he turned around and was coming back down my street. Same situation, gun in hand. He stops by me, and I'm waiting for "where's unit B?" and as I look down, he's 'pleasuring himself'. I raise that pistol and when it breaks the plane of the door into window, his tires screeched and he took right the hell off. In my book, there's a sexual assault and no, I wouldn't have shot him, but I put an end to it on my terms.

[clabar1]

Timco,
Go to Alien Gear Holsters. Get a BOGO. Quality without expense. And you can tote without the winks. Nice car.


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[smshirk]

Damn is there no where to get away from political bull**************** this is a Porsche forum


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[Timco]

Originally Posted by smshirk

Damn is there no where to get away from political bull**************** this is a Porsche forum


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Yes. Yes there is. Don't click theses threads or post in them, thus bumping this post back up?

It was a Porsche Boxster related post. You are under zero obligation to post or take part.

[jb92563]

Just as a note to Giller and some other Canadians still in Canada.

I felt as you did having never owned a gun in 40 years living in Ontario, but when I moved to the US there was a big contrast in police and criminal presence.

I would go a week or more without even seeing a police cruiser of any kind in Ontario where as now I see on the average 5-6 cruisers per day. It gave me the impression that it is more dangerous here, and it is.

The are a lot of uncivilized, angry crazy people here and they are mostly armed and not afraid to get into trouble since the legal system here does not seem very strict and they know they will be free again soon.

It was unsettling at first but then I got armed and went to the range to learn how to use the weapons and now I feel more secure. Its probably a false sense of security but I can accept it and the fact that I am not totally helpless and at the criminals mercy.

I would gladly give up all those weapons if they were outright abolished across ALL the states and that the penalty for even possessing a hand gun was 5 years in prison or more.

The people in the US do not know the kind of freedom and peace that lays across the boarder in Canada. Its is very special and I can appreciate it much more now that I have the contrast to compare.

Taking away guns here would be a destabilizing change in the favor of criminals. I think this could only be changed by reducing the number of criminals to the point where people here can feel safe unarmed, but how could something like that be accomplished????

So for now I'm with the pro-gun folks where I'd rather have the gun pried from my cold dead hands than be gunned down weaponless.

[GatorLapis]

Originally Posted by 78f350

buy gator's cdr-210, gut it and convert it into a handgun safe. Put a hinged door behind the faceplate or use a cable-lock to keep your gun secured.
...or gut the passenger airbag and use that space. Hey, that could be converted to a glove box on my '99. I hear that 10+ year old airbags just shoot shards of metal out now anyway.

that right there! Legit quote!

[itsnotanova]

Not sure I would want it pointing up but my glock fits in the small opening. I'm thinking a holder could be fabricated easily against the fire wall. Might be somewhat easy to get to by lifting up the bottom of the carpet engine cover. I like this spot only for hiding a small handgun. I'd prefer to keep mine in the door panel for quick and easy access.