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[Perfectlap]

^ He wasn't just drifting. That's a very technical course. You're not getting around it smoothly in an
'underpowered' car -- an indictment that's meant to make the claim that its HP is insufficient for its weight and handling.
No the car is not going to do all the work for you. I'm not suggesting that you are making this claim, but that seems to be the new benchmark for power these days: "it doesn't "feel" fast". A Boxster Spyder with zero engine mods or exhaust, only suspension upgrades, doesn't feel extremely fast and isn't winning any drag races but guess what? TC Kline's example still outlapped all the modified 997 GT3s at Laguna. It's plenty powerful in the right hands. There are many 'sporty' cars today that may win a drag race but take them to the track and they aren't so brilliant.

I'm just surprised we haven't seen a car like the FRS sooner. Whoever said a Cayman had to be expensive?

[stephen wilson]

Power has nothing to do with getting around a course smoothly, that's all in the chassis and driver. And yes, he was doing some mild drifting, because it makes the footage more interesting. That's not the fast way unless the car pushes so bad you have to "toss it in" for it to rotate.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

Power has nothing to do with getting around a course smoothly.

exactly.

The car was lapping Jarama quicker than the average driver who would complain about it being underpowered could come close to duplicating.
And a car with a poor chasis, suspension, steering and braking in the right hands isn't going to become magically brilliant. And yes the drifting was just thrown in as eye candy/click bait but as you could see from the real driving the car was obviously well-engineered.

Which makes me wonder exactly what basis the power critics are using to determine that the car has insufficient power?
Drag racing the Hyundai Genesis or Civic Si at the stop light? That skill set requirement is pretty limited.

[stephen wilson]

Everyone will have a different opinion of sufficient. Maybe I should say "adequately" powered instead. I feel 13.8 HP/# adequate, the 12 HP/# of my 987 is "sporty", and 7.5-10 HP/# is just about right Power doesn't make a car inherently easier to drive "on the limit", though they are more forgiving of scrubbing off speed.

I agreee, it does seem to be a good handling car. Acceleration and cornering are two different types of fun, which don't have to be mutually exclusive, so I would preferr to have both!

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

exactly.

The car was lapping Jarama quicker than the average driver who would complain about it being underpowered could come close to duplicating.
And a car with a poor chasis, suspension, steering and braking in the right hands isn't going to become magically brilliant. And yes the drifting was just thrown in as eye candy/click bait but as you could see from the real driving the car was obviously well-engineered.

Which makes me wonder exactly what basis the power critics are using to determine that the car has insufficient power?
Drag racing the Hyundai Genesis or Civic Si at the stop light? That skill set requirement is pretty limited.

This was proven to me during my last track day, when I went driving with an instructor who was passing GT3s with little effort while driving my lowly MR2.