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Bladecutter · 09-09-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by huewish

Just to give you the brief rendition of what happened, I lost control on a curve, hit the retaining wall, and spun into the Mercedes you see in the video. Nobody was injured.

I was wondering if you could let us know what the tires were that were on your car, and how worn out were they?

I am wondering because from the video, it doesn't look like much of a curve, and I'm assuming that the rear end of the car came around on you while you were hot footing it around the curve.

It would let me know what not to consider, at the very least.

BC.

huewish · 09-09-2009, 06:38 PM

I was running P Zeros with about 75% tread life, and I came into the corner off the throttle. I have intentionally put this car into controlled slides before, and the car was perfectly maintained, including the suspension. I have never had a car slide out like that before, and I have driven everything from Porsche, to Ferrari, to Mercedes, to BMW as far as rear wheel drive vehicles are concerned. You actually can't see the most significant portion of the curve in the video, or the grade of the road. I have driven that road in a Mercedes, a Range Rover, and the Box. It always struck me as an odd design, but that is something I have always taken into consideration on that curve. If the angle was correct, and the road was free of any type of slick material, it would have been a normal curve. I have taken that curve 20mph faster than I did yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Bladecutter

I was wondering if you could let us know what the tires were that were on your car, and how worn out were they?

I am wondering because from the video, it doesn't look like much of a curve, and I'm assuming that the rear end of the car came around on you while you were hot footing it around the curve.

It would let me know what not to consider, at the very least.

BC.

tonycarreon · 09-09-2009, 07:48 PM

where in dallas?

huewish · 09-10-2009, 04:02 AM

It was actually Las Colinas near 114 and O Connor.

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Originally Posted by tonycarreon

where in dallas?

Frodo · 09-10-2009, 04:42 AM

Call it morbid curiosity...I was interested in viewing the scene, GoogleEarth style. You have a latitude/longitude reading on the site (assuming you have GoogleEarth on your computer)?

BTW, glad to hear everyone escaped unscathed.

jmatta · 09-10-2009, 05:47 AM

I have intentionally put this car into controlled slides before...

On public roads with traffic? The curve you describe is off camber and challenging on a race course. Save your jollies for the race track, if you've ever driven on one. This is the kind of stuff that gives Porsche drivers a bad name out there.

Public roads are not designed to be driven at excessive speeds and those that choose to ignore, suffer their own consequences. Glad innocent drivers weren't hurt...

(From a father of two teen drivers, part-time racer and PCA DE instructor).

gstoli · 09-10-2009, 07:47 AM

It takes years to realize and admit your mistake when you cause an accident.
In my case it took me 10 years to admit that "hey, I was driving too fast on an unknown road" when I totaled a car and broke a dozen of bones

But, no one will change his driving habits just because he was criticized on a forum. So, thank you huewish for sharing this experience. Learn and move on... You are very lucky that no one was hurt....

Jeph · 09-22-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by huewish

It was actually Las Colinas near 114 and O Connor.

Ah! I recognized that from the video. That's right by the golf course there -I drive down 114 everyday. I have seen plenty of accidents right there on the access road.

gerrygug · 09-10-2009, 08:33 AM

Glad you are ok and sorry about the Box.

You say

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Originally Posted by huewish

I was running P Zeros with about 75% tread life, and I came into the corner off the throttle.

Every accident has a cause.

I am interested to know if you lifted the throttle before entering the turn or once into the turn? What was the air temperature at the time of the accident? Were the tires warm? Could there have been some oil or fluid on the road that caused the spin? What was your entry speed? What is the posted speed limit for the turn?

My interest is not to point fingers, just to try and understand what caused this unfortunate accident.

Jaxonalden · 09-10-2009, 04:05 PM

Hey bro, after watching the video I started watching related videos of crashes and there you were walking around your car (Boxster Funeral). Good to see your OK, car still looks like crap though. Have you checked to see what the insurance company will take to buy it back? You could make money on selling the parts. Front end damage is the best because the business end of a Porsche is in the rear. Good luck in whatever you decide.

urban_legend · 09-10-2009, 05:26 PM

but the salvage amount for MY2001 is $5,000. I had driver side door, rear quarter and rocker panel damage. My quick mat/ gut call says just take the money - tires worth zero and what is the market for an engine with 90K miles?

But if anybody has any experience or ideas - now is a good time to chime in.

roadracer311 · 09-10-2009, 07:27 PM

The racer's can probably comment based on more experience, but to me the Boxster is a little scary when approaching the limits, because my sense of the car is that it's just going to stick and stick and stick until it just lets go.

I've found that carrying only liability insurance on my car makes me drive a little more conservatively.

jmatta · 09-11-2009, 05:54 AM

I am interested to know if you lifted the throttle before entering the turn or once into the turn?

My guess would be he got in too deep, lift off the throttle, which moved the weight off the rear wheels to the front and made the rear end light...she'll come around almost every time. I see this happen all the time at DE events.

Flavor 987S · 09-11-2009, 10:13 AM

Huewish, glad everyone is OK. You made an error. Admitted doing so. Warned other members here. I make no judgements either way, but most people on this Forum rarely admit being wrong and take ownership. Good for you.

Did your Boxster have PSM- Porsche Stability Management a.k.a. the old Traction Control option?

huewish · 09-13-2009, 09:28 AM

I just wanted to state for the record that I went to my office Friday night to pick up some things I had forgotten. As I was coming down towards the same curve, I saw two cars that had crashed, and landed in approximately the same area as my collision. Therefore, I would say that it is a design flaw to that road.