Which clutch to buy LUK or Sachs?

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

And when your state your opinion, please detail on what experience the opinion is based. How many hundreds of each have you installed and thus provided the basis of your opinion.

Really? No wonder no one responded to this. Sure would have been helpful to have someone provide their experience instead of this completely unhelpful post. Mikefocke, never respond to one of my posts again, I don't care if I'm dying and your response is the only thing that can save me, don't respond. I don't care if you realize that I've been dead for three days and you are the only one who knows, even then, don't respond. I'm looking for someone who has something positive or helpful to say, and you are not that person. Folks like you make this less of a forum. Just leave. Too harsh? I think not.

[paulofto]

Mikefocke has contributed more to this and other forums than you or I will ever know. So lighten up and relax.

As far as Sachs or Luk, here is my opinion. Both are fine. I've only experienced 2 clutches in my 2003 S; the one in there now and the one that was in there before this one. Find either at a good price and guess what, you will never know one from the other once its installed.

[mikefocke]

My reply followed a few hours of reading postings on this and other car forums by people whose experience was either none or limited to a sample of one and thus their opinions were more to justify the wisdom of their choice than to throw some evidence based facts out for our enlightenment. How do you compare and contrast without the experience of both items? How do you value someone's opinion without knowing what experiences/facts/readings they are based on? I was inviting someone with experience with both products to post.

Not to mention the evident lack of the use of the forum's search function.

So yes my frustration showed.

[Jamesp]

I actually did use the search function before posting. Your assumption that I did not was presumptive and incorrect.

Anyone pointing to the search function instead simply answering a question or moving on without comment is simply being a jerk to someone who is asking for help.

Your posts in this string certainly fit that description.

Reading both of your posts, the second is a weak attempt to justify your bad behavior in the first.

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Now I have to figure out how to use the "block" function.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

I actually did use the search function before posting. Your assumption that I did not was presumptive and incorrect.

Anyone pointing to the search function instead simply answering a question or moving on without comment is simply being a jerk to someone who is asking for help.

Your posts in this string certainly fit that description.

Reading both of your posts, the second is a weak attempt to justify your bad behavior in the first.

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Now I have to figure out how to use the "block" function.

In that case, you should add me to your blocked list.

Mike provided a rather level headed comment about getting an opinion from someone with more than one data point, which is a suggestion well worth considering. Mike has been around for along time, and comments from years of experience, including running one of the best historical data website for 986/987 cars. He is in regular contact with a wide variety of people with extensive technical experience with these cars, so he is repository of a lot of information.

As for the comment about using the search function, far too many people ask the same question that has been asked innumerable times previously, rather than taking a few min of time to look around first. As a moderator on another Porsche technical website, I see this happen every day, when someone asks a question that has already been answered in detail more than a dozen times previously, and even has a fully detailed DIY in our tutorial section of the forum. My, and many other posters standard response is “Search is your friend”. As such, I saw Mike’s comment as a valid suggestion rather than as the criticism you seem to have taken.

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

In that case, you should add me to your blocked list.

Done.

And it is aptly named "ignore".

I don't care how much information you have, or how high an opinion of yourself you have. Treating people poorly is disrespectful and should not be tolerated, and "search is your friend" is insulting and arrogant.

If you're unable add value to a string stay silent.

[Cunningr]

Here is my observation, like it or not!

I didnt think Mikes post was rude, did not think the how many hundreds you installed added anything. But he did point out the need for extra data point such as in particle waves post.

The authour is being a little too sensative, to that comment.

JFP I get your po8nt about search, but its better to do a quick search add the relavent link and nicely suggest other searches will produce more info. I always do a search find lots of info manytimes its not relavent. As someone requesting help getting the search is your friend annoys me, i would prefer no reply. As a collective group I beleive we are here to support each other as enthusiasts.

That said on my part I appreciate all reesponses I have received and enjoyed discussing various topics. But you cant be overly sensative, we are all human and have various cultural backgrounds.

[Racer Boy]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Done.

And it is aptly named "ignore".

I don't care how much information you have, or how high an opinion of yourself you have. Treating people poorly is disrespectful and should not be tolerated, and "search is your friend" is insulting and arrogant.

If you're unable add value to a string stay silent.

I'm guessing that you are probably a pretty nice person, because most people are. But you sure come across as someone that isn't in your posts in this thread.

It sounds like you were having a really bad week when you opened this thread, I hope things are going better for you now.

[BirdDog]

There are enough angry 8 year olds in my life...

Please add me to your ignore list.

I have added you to mine.

[Lew]

Originally Posted by paulofto

Mikefocke has contributed more to this and other forums than you or I will ever know. So lighten up and relax.

As far as Sachs or Luk, here is my opinion. Both are fine. I've only experienced 2 clutches in my 2003 S; the one in there now and the one that was in there before this one. Find either at a good price and guess what, you will never know one from the other once its installed.

As mentioned the LUK will give you a softer pedal than the Sach's. You know how I knew that, after I installed the DMF and the LUK clutch, the wife said the pedal seems softer. How bout that, my Wife could tell right off.

[10/10ths]

....That's what I installed with a new flywheel and I love it.

Street car, no track days.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Really? No wonder no one responded to this. Sure would have been helpful to have someone provide their experience instead of this completely unhelpful post. Mikefocke, never respond to one of my posts again, I don't care if I'm dying and your response is the only thing that can save me, don't respond. I don't care if you realize that I've been dead for three days and you are the only one who knows, even then, don't respond. I'm looking for someone who has something positive or helpful to say, and you are not that person. Folks like you make this less of a forum. Just leave. Too harsh? I think not.

Wow. You really need to lighten up a bit there, fella. Kick back. Take a pill. There was nothing in the least “adversarial” about mikefocke’s response, which was simply a suggestion that those who respond to your open-ended question provide some basis upon which their opinions are given. Opinions without hands-on experience are typically pretty much useless. And his response in no way amounted to an action “shutting down the conversation.” (Sometimes people just don't feel like responding. Or those with useful information just happen not to be perusing the forum for a few days.) Furthermore, there was nothing included in his post which fell short of being “polite and civil.” In your juvenile responses you’ve managed to disparage and malign, in the most impolite and uncivil manner, two of the more knowledgeable sources of information on this forum (the second being JFP). You, my friend, are the only poster in this thread who’s been “disrespectful.”

Get your act together. Play by the not-that-strenuous set of rules. Do a search. If it comes up empty, say so. Maybe your choice of key words for searching falls short of what's ideal—we’re all guilty of that on occasion. Once you’ve made that attempt, there’s lots of people on this forum who are more than willing to be helpful. Or, if you wish, go with your original inclination: be the “jerk”. If that’s the case, it will be you (not those others) who loses out.