07-25-2013, 04:30 PM
|
#21
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
I know how to do it without the above *trick* parts, but I don't have any pieces made right now to build you a set 
Because of the SCCA "stock" class rules, I cant run the above *trick* pieces in some of my cars, so we had to come up with *something* that something works in this case/for you.
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:39 PM
|
#22
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
what if I slotted the upper mount holes and got to -1 CAM???
Geez all I did was move the ROW M030 strut down .625" in the hub carrier...that's easy to reverse...how much can you lower these before needing adjustable tie-rods Brad?
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:41 PM
|
#23
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
Maybe I could have some threaded spacers made for the cylindrical part??
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
Last edited by woodsman; 07-25-2013 at 04:44 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:41 PM
|
#24
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
Just move them back up.. and don't fool with mother nature 
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:42 PM
|
#25
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
I push the rubber bushing out and install an offset mounting hole (made from alum) in the tow link (at the inside mounting point)
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:45 PM
|
#26
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
and FYI
NEXT time... TELL US/ME that you moved the strut down!!
I could have ended this thread 10posts ago!!! 
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:46 PM
|
#27
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
You ran out of adjustment on the toe link do to the car being too low. MO30 by itself does not accomplish this!!
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 04:52 PM
|
#28
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
sorry about that. I appreciate your help Brad. Total lowering should (!-going to MEASURE tonight) only be 1"- I never dreamed I'd cause so much hassle!
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 05:06 PM
|
#29
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Roberts
I push the rubber bushing out and install an offset mounting hole (made from alum) in the tow link (at the inside mounting point)
|
NICE!hmmmn
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-2013, 05:50 PM
|
#30
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
I appreciate your attempt You had the right idea, just didn't have the rest of the parts to pull it off!!
I have run shorter shocks, and moved them up
I have also run a specific Porsche upright that moves the wheel bearing up 2inches in the upright, but does not change the suspension geometry.
You just have to know what to buy
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 02:00 PM
|
#31
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
I measured the ride height- FR is lower by 1" and RR is lower by .5"!! I was expecting an additional .5" lowering FR and RR...The FR I can live with but why is the suspension so out of spec after .5"lowering? I'm not totally susprised that the rear isn't as low as I expected since I bought the Tip set (my car is a 6-speed)as it was $250 cheaper. I thought hey I'll get a little higher spring rate (assumption) and more neutral handling--perfect! Maybe the rate's the same and the coil length is greater, hence less lowering???That's fine too but why's it so out of spec??? Dammit, new OEM parts and still more probs.
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 02:45 PM
|
#32
|
|
550 Anniversary
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Posts: 747
|
I also have the tip M030 kit on my manual S. Its a 'normal' kit for me but ROW for you guys. My front was lowered by a mere 6mm and the rear was actually raised by 5mm. Original suspension had done 70k miles but was rig tested and still good.
__________________
Current: 550 Spyder Anniversary- Carnewal exhaust - 100 cell cats - stainless manifolds - 4" underdrive pulley - poly gearbox mounts - rear lower alu brace - adjustable rear toe links
Sold: 986S - Zenith Blue - 18" Sport Classics - Black Zunsport grilles - Stainless silencer and manifolds - K&N panel - shortshift - M030 suspension - 75mm throttle body - custom 83mm intake - SmartTop - custom remap - MDS underdrive pulley
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 02:53 PM
|
#33
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA
Posts: 1,334
|
100's of time throughout my Porsche life, my customer cars went out riding higher than they did when they came in (after a spring change) LOL. Nobody considers that worn ass stock spring.
The assumption is: "They last forever".. umm... NO
__________________
Engine Builds, Transmission Builds, Engine Conversions, Suspension Installs, Suspension Tuning, Driver Coaching, Data Acquisition, Video, SCCA/PCA/POC/NASA/GRAND AM/ALMS.
We have worked with amateur and professional drivers for over 26 years. In house machinist, In house fabrication. Our cars, our parts, our engines, our transmission's run nationwide at events every weekend. We work side by side with industry names developing parts.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:03 PM
|
#34
|
|
550 Anniversary
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Posts: 747
|
It wasn't unexpected per se in my case as a lot of measurements and work had been done before the M030 was fitted and it was known to be running as low as an M030 car before the M030 was fitted. It was interesting to see the effect of the tip kit and stiffer rear springs though.
__________________
Current: 550 Spyder Anniversary- Carnewal exhaust - 100 cell cats - stainless manifolds - 4" underdrive pulley - poly gearbox mounts - rear lower alu brace - adjustable rear toe links
Sold: 986S - Zenith Blue - 18" Sport Classics - Black Zunsport grilles - Stainless silencer and manifolds - K&N panel - shortshift - M030 suspension - 75mm throttle body - custom 83mm intake - SmartTop - custom remap - MDS underdrive pulley
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:03 PM
|
#35
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
so are you saying the spring rate slowly drops and this causes a similar drop in ride height?
and Brad- at -.5" rear ride height should my specs be this far off??? Are Taret arms a bandaid or a justifiable and expected cure? Are the offset bushings you make a .002" pressfit and have any ever split the cast arm after they're in use?
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
Last edited by woodsman; 07-26-2013 at 03:36 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:10 PM
|
#36
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by edc
It wasn't unexpected per se in my case as a lot of measurements and work had been done before the M030 was fitted and it was known to be running as low as an M030 car before the M030 was fitted. It was interesting to see the effect of the tip kit and stiffer rear springs though.
|
EDC- I fabricated another hole in the strut an inch higher to get the result I've got----1" drop FRONT
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:16 PM
|
#37
|
|
550 Anniversary
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Posts: 747
|
What's the Max camber you can get with the additional lowering?
I actually don't really want to lower the car much more if at all but interested to hear what results you can get from a Geo perspective.
__________________
Current: 550 Spyder Anniversary- Carnewal exhaust - 100 cell cats - stainless manifolds - 4" underdrive pulley - poly gearbox mounts - rear lower alu brace - adjustable rear toe links
Sold: 986S - Zenith Blue - 18" Sport Classics - Black Zunsport grilles - Stainless silencer and manifolds - K&N panel - shortshift - M030 suspension - 75mm throttle body - custom 83mm intake - SmartTop - custom remap - MDS underdrive pulley
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:32 PM
|
#38
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
I'm currently at FR -1.1, -1.2 and RR -2.1, -2.2 with adjusters set for min camber and toe-in. My camber adjustment seems to have more effect on toe than camber. The two points of adjustment are so geographically close to one another and that dam unyielding trailing arm! Augh
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
Last edited by woodsman; 07-26-2013 at 03:41 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:35 PM
|
#39
|
|
550 Anniversary
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Surrey, UK
Posts: 747
|
I am at just over -1.5 degrees neg camber on the front but I have the top mount slots drilled. There may be a fraction more to go. The rear is just under -1.5.
__________________
Current: 550 Spyder Anniversary- Carnewal exhaust - 100 cell cats - stainless manifolds - 4" underdrive pulley - poly gearbox mounts - rear lower alu brace - adjustable rear toe links
Sold: 986S - Zenith Blue - 18" Sport Classics - Black Zunsport grilles - Stainless silencer and manifolds - K&N panel - shortshift - M030 suspension - 75mm throttle body - custom 83mm intake - SmartTop - custom remap - MDS underdrive pulley
|
|
|
|
|
07-26-2013, 03:47 PM
|
#40
|
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Land of naught
Posts: 1,302
|
EDC is your car neutral at the limit? That's what I'm looking for...
__________________
Death is certain, life is not.
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:33 PM.
| |
Porsche Boxster S
Porsche Boxster
Linear Mode
