GEBA pump with metal impeller

[sam c.]

Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone know the flow rates that the stock water pump puts out? I understand its going to be dependent on RPM but I was hoping someone knew an approximate range.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

If he comes across as frustrated sometimes, he is entitled.

We all have our frustrations. I respectfully submit that is no justification for harsh words.

At least that argument never worked with my mom as she was whipping my butt when I was feeling "entitled".

[Mark_T]

Originally Posted by sam c.

However, being relatively new to Porsches and certainly new to this forum, with its long running debates, social hierarchies, and thinly veiled politics, who does and who does not deserve the right to entitlements is certainly subjective. I certainly appreciate accomplishments, experience, knowledge, and intelligence but I also appreciate patience, long suffering, and humility. I'm just saying..

Well said Sam.

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by ghostrider300

The company that supplied Heiko his water pump are professional manufacturers in Germany of water pumps, as well as OEM suppliers to many marques. If one inspects or replaces the pump on their own mileage schedule, grenading is moot! Jake is questioning their design, research, product development and sales while at the same time marketing what equates to some mechanical version of "mousetrap" spray oiling system for a bearing, you kiddin me?. Then he says he patented it but everyone will be making versions of that product with off the shelf technology, were you planning on going garage to garage with a lawyer?

PS If that makes you or Bruce want to swing at my mom I guess I'll accept that for my snarkyness which isn't necessary.

Ghostrider,
You have me confused with someone else. I removed the ball bearing IMSB from the engine with my patent pending design. We didn't just lubricate the stock bearing.

As far as metal impellers, losing "blocks" with water pumps is nothing new when bearings go bad. It doesn't just happen to alloy blocks, but can also happen to old cast iron block engines as well. Cast iron is one hell of a lot tougher to "machine" than the alloy block. One day someone here will have the issue and post about it, which will validate what I have posted and what we have seen with our own eyes. Then people will actually listen, like what has happened now that the IMSB class action suit has progressed.

That said, buy what you want, listen to who you want. In my position it doesn't take very long to realize that the manufacturers of automotive parts are generally the people in the room who know the least about how their product works in practical application. This is why the products that we develop with LN Engineering for these engines actually work; because it is all application specific and is conceived through direct experience, not projections, theories and computer aided design. All those things go into the equation, but its all developed in the real world.

Outta here and all forums for a good while. I have a book to finish and it won't get done by entering challenges with keyboard warriors and arguing with people.

Have a great spring and summer.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Outta here and all forums for a good while. I have a book to finish and it won't get done by entering challenges with keyboard warriors and arguing with people.

Have a great spring and summer.

Writing a book?? Reserve a copy for me.

Looking forward to your return.
Enjoy the summer.

[mikefocke]

And I'm saying you can discount what he says because of the way he says it or discount the way he says it and glean the nuggets his experience and straight shooting reputation provides.

The keyboard warrior has all the time in the world to debate, theorize and claim wisdom. The guy who is working on ten cars at a time and developing training materials for the M96 internals and testing new ideas and developing new products...he doesn't. And so maybe he doesn't say things the way you'd like, he just says his experience says some posting is wrong. I can live with that.

So I cut him a lot of slack in the manner he posts because if he doesn't post, we don't gain from his experience.

(Lets you think me a fanboy, you should go back to the original introduction of the LN bearings and the sharp questions I posed to Charles and Jake and doubts I expressed over the testing sufficiency of the bearings before they were made available to the public. Those were questions I raised on the forums in threads containing his announcements. I don't care who has the right answer so much as want the information in sufficient rigor that I can know.)

[Jake Raby]

Here is my last note while on the way out the door for the season...

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Teddy Roosevelt from the "Man in the Arena" speech
April 23, 1910 at the Sorbonne, Paris

[thstone]

"Civility costs nothing, and buys everything."
- Mary Wortley Montagu

[Mark_T]

"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
-Ted "Theodore" Logan

[sam c.]

"Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone know the flow rates that the stock water pump puts out?"
-SamC, 986forum,com

[stateofidleness]

Originally Posted by sam c.

"Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone know the flow rates that the stock water pump puts out?"
-SamC, 986forum,com

lmao! spilled some rockstar on myself from that

[Idaho Red Rocket 3]

I'll say it again. Heiko has courage to try a new product just recently released. Who knows at this point weather or not this recent design is the solution to the weakness of the current water pumps. Just as many took a chance on the LNE IMS bearing when it was a new design. Remember some of them have failed.

[Heiko]

Thanks and if it fails and it kills the motor, I'll rebuild it... not like there isn't thousands of them out there! My intention of this whole thread was to show a new product, not to start this huge debate. Personally I don't really care what works or hasn't, I'm trying a new item; and if it turns out to be a big flop then I'll report back with it as being junk. I guess I should have just bought a 911 as everyone said don't buy a Boxster - LMAO - and I still like my Boxster!
Anyhow hope everyone had a good weekend.
H

[jaykay]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Here is my last note while on the way out the door for the season...

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Teddy Roosevelt from the "Man in the Arena" speech
April 23, 1910 at the Sorbonne, Paris

Nice, If you don't mind I am going to use this in my Monday afternoon meeting at work..

[jaykay]

Originally Posted by Heiko

Thanks and if it fails and it kills the motor, I'll rebuild it... not like there isn't thousands of them out there! My intention of this whole thread was to show a new product, not to start this huge debate. Personally I don't really care what works or hasn't, I'm trying a new item; and if it turns out to be a big flop then I'll report back with it as being junk. I guess I should have just bought a 911 as everyone said don't buy a Boxster - LMAO - and I still like my Boxster!
Anyhow hope everyone had a good weekend.
H

I think we all have learned a little more as a result of this thread. Thanks for posting and sharing information and thoughts; this what a forum is....

We should all remember that really we are all on the same team and be respectful of each other

[stateofidleness]

Originally Posted by Heiko

I guess I should have just bought a 911 as everyone said don't buy a Boxster - LMAO -

Same engine? Odd comment. It's a forum, expect to get differing opinions on things. If you got the money to experiment with new products that could kill your engine, then more power to you! I hate being a guinea pig

[Heiko]

Sorry wasn't comparing cars just making the point that I bought something most people at the time told me to stay away from and that I was still happy with it!
JAYKAY - you are absolutely correct... we're all on the same team (I hope) because in the end knowing what's out there for our cars is what we all want to know... So if I'm the so called guinea pig than I hope I grow fur and eat some phone cords
Cheers

[Homeboy981]

Originally Posted by Heiko

Thanks My intention of this whole thread was to show a new product, not to start this huge debate. Personally I don't really care what works or hasn't, I'm trying a new item; and if it turns out to be a big flop then I'll report back with it as being junk.
H

@Heiko, that takes guts! Good luck on that new GEBA bearing on the WP, they have undoubtedly tested it BEFORE it came to market….hope it holds up better than my recent 'bearing experience'. But hey, thanks to that incident, I NOW KNOW of another, longer-life IMS Bearing AND IT COSTS LESS. PM for details. No special oil lines, just a really good FULLY CERAMIC industrial-tested bearing from a reputable dealer.

"And that's Just the facts"

[sam c.]

Originally Posted by sam c.

"Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone know the flow rates that the stock water pump puts out?"
-SamC, 986forum,com

Nice, if you don't mind I might just use this in my Monday afternoon meeting. I mean, assuming the conversation takes a weird turn and we end up discussing water pumps.

[sam c.]

Originally Posted by Homeboy981

@Heiko, that takes guts! Good luck on that new GEBA bearing on the WP, they have undoubtedly tested it BEFORE it came to market….hope it holds up better than my recent 'bearing experience'. But hey, thanks to that incident, I NOW KNOW of another, longer-life IMS Bearing AND IT COSTS LESS. PM for details. No special oil lines, just a really good FULLY CERAMIC industrial-tested bearing from a reputable dealer.

"And that's Just the facts"

Still going on about that bearing... jeez, change the record dude!

I'm just kidding of course. Sorry for your experience - it totally sucked.