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MNBoxster · 10-03-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FUHRIUS

...got in a fun little tangle with a lotus elise this morning on the way to work...twisty little highway onramp with three nice high speed corners...that little bugger was doin' alright...but when I hit third gear he faded fast. I love the look of them though...particularly in the rear-view mirror. ;-)

Hi,

You must have had an inexperienced or unmotivated driver in that Elise. Otherwise, I don't buy it.

The Elise weighs 1,975lbs., the Boxster S - 3,118lbs. The Elise goes 0-60 in 4.9 sec., the Boxster S - 5.5 sec. The Elise must push 10.5lbs/HP, the Boxster S - 12.4lbs./HP.

It simply doesn't add up on paper...

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

xclusivecar · 10-04-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

You must have had an inexperienced or unmotivated driver in that Elise. Otherwise, I don't buy it.

The Elise weighs 1,975lbs., the Boxster S - 3,118lbs. The Elise goes 0-60 in 4.9 sec., the Boxster S - 5.5 sec. The Elise must push 10.5lbs/HP, the Boxster S - 12.4lbs./HP.

It simply doesn't add up on paper...

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

I had an Elise and traded it for a 2000 Boxster S. The ONLY way to get a 0-60 of 4.9 sec. would be to drop the clutch at around 8,000 RPM. There is NO power in this thing until you get over 6500 RPM. THEN...you must shift at the correct point to keep the car in the second sets of cams or your acceleration will suffer dramatically until you once again hit the second set of cams. Also I experienced tons of wheel hop while trying to accelerate from a stop quickly. The Boxster doesn't do this. Hell, for fun I raced my buddy in an auto '96 Vette and we stayed together for quite a bit before he finally pulled away at 80 or so.

MNBoxster · 10-04-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusivecar

I had an Elise and traded it for a 2000 Boxster S. The ONLY way to get a 0-60 of 4.9 sec. would be to drop the clutch at around 8,000 RPM. There is NO power in this thing until you get over 6500 RPM. THEN...you must shift at the correct point to keep the car in the second sets of cams or your acceleration will suffer dramatically until you once again hit the second set of cams. Also I experienced tons of wheel hop while trying to accelerate from a stop quickly. The Boxster doesn't do this. Hell, for fun I raced my buddy in an auto '96 Vette and we stayed together for quite a bit before he finally pulled away at 80 or so.

Hi,

I have tons of Seat Time in the Elise, going back to 2000 including Track Time both here in the States and at the Test Track at Hethel. I have 4 friends who own them and another who has a Series 1 Sun Conversion with the Honda VTec (actually the best combination). I even demonstrated the Elise for Lotus at the 2002 Mpls. Auto Show and got 7 deposits for the Local Dealer.
This car was a straight ROW demonstrator with the Kent Engine, not nearly so powerful as the Yamaha-Based, Toyota US Variant.

I am certain that I could better any Boxster out there in an Elise, except in a straight line, and only then when approaching Red Line. This is why I say the Driver was either inexperienced or unmotivated in the situation described.

It doesn't surprise me that the Corvette could pull away at will. It's power-to-weight ratio is superior.

Now, the Elise is unlivable as anything more than a Fun or Track Car, but that's another issue.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

xclusivecar · 10-04-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

I have tons of Seat Time in the Elise, going back to 2000 including Track Time both here in the States and at the Test Track at Hethel. I have 4 friends who own them and another who has a Series 1 Sun Conversion with the Honda VTec (actually the best combination). I even demonstrated the Elise for Lotus at the 2002 Mpls. Auto Show and got 7 deposits for the Local Dealer.
This car was a straight ROW demonstrator with the Kent Engine, not nearly so powerful as the Yamaha-Based, Toyota US Variant.

I am certain that I could better any Boxster out there in an Elise, except in a straight line, and only then when approaching Red Line. This is why I say the Driver was either inexperienced or unmotivated in the situation described.

It doesn't surprise me that the Corvette could pull away at will. It's power-to-weight ratio is superior.

Now, the Elise is unlivable as anything more than a Fun or Track Car, but that's another issue.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

I agree that the Elise will outhandle a Boxster. I agree the Vette will pull away but I was thinking it would have happened quicker. My last reply was to you quoting 0-60 times and I know from experience that the Elise is NOT a 4.9 sec car (unless you absolutely fry the clutch trying)! Now...i'm not a track guy and most people who have the Elise will never see the track. Like me they bought the Elise sight unseen and thought it would have been a great car to cruise around town. But like most people who bought the first 2000 found out it becomes downright boring driving a pure track car on the streets. This then makes the Boxster so much nicer. An all around fun car!

I wish I had the luck to have been able to drive the Elise around the Hethel track. Hell, I wish I had the luck to drive any car around any twisties. Chicago is just too flat!

MNBoxster · 10-04-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusivecar

I agree that the Elise will outhandle a Boxster. I agree the Vette will pull away but I was thinking it would have happened quicker. My last reply was to you quoting 0-60 times and I know from experience that the Elise is NOT a 4.9 sec car (unless you absolutely fry the clutch trying)! Now...i'm not a track guy and most people who have the Elise will never see the track. Like me they bought the Elise sight unseen and thought it would have been a great car to cruise around town. But like most people who bought the first 2000 found out it becomes downright boring driving a pure track car on the streets. This then makes the Boxster so much nicer. An all around fun car!

I wish I had the luck to have been able to drive the Elise around the Hethel track. Hell, I wish I had the luck to drive any car around any twisties. Chicago is just too flat!

Hi,

I totally agree with you. It is not practical or enjoyable in any other form than pure Rock n' Rollin'. I had the opportunity to purchase one $5k offlist when they first arrived because of some relationships I have, but declined and got the Boxster, it so much nicer an all-around ride.

BTW, there's a very nice Raod Course not far from you - Blackhawk Farms Raceway, located in South Beloit, Illinois maybe 90 minutes from Downtown Chitown. It's a great 1.95 mile Road Course. If interested in Track time, check them out. I'm sure they have Open Track Days or open Car Club events on their calendar. I've driven it many times with my Lotus Esprit and Formula Vee and it's a really nice course.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

Adam · 10-04-2005, 09:18 PM

The Elise does have a good 0-60 if driven well, but it starts slowing down in a hurry once speeds start to get serious. The Box S will catch it in a high speed run(just for arguements sake). 0-120 mph they are about even and past that the Box just keeps pullin away. The little 1.8L can't overcome the wind resistence which is why it is drag limited to about 150mph compared to the Box S top speed of 164mph.

Jim, I live in Charleston IL about 45 min south of Champaign. How far approximately is that track from me? Sounds like fun.

MNBoxster · 10-04-2005, 09:59 PM

@Adam,

Check them out here: http://www.blackhawkfarms.com/ The local PCA affiliate holds several events here annually.

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99