IMS adventure

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by MikenOH

Frank:
Did your friend have the upgraded IMS with the thicker bolt or the older style?
Early 05's might have had the old style but by mid-year IIRC, all the cars were getting the new style.
original owner? any track days?
Seems way early especially in a 987 for that to happen.

His is an early 05, No track days, 2nd owner, Bought at dealer with 30,000 miles.
He always had it serviced by the same dealer, they saw the car earlier for scheduled maintenance. He did talk to the service manager after incident about IMS but he got the Schultz response "I Know nothing , nothing" there is no IMS problem.

I guess Porsche has no concept of customer retention

[Jake Raby]

I guess Porsche has no concept of customer retention

They've figured out that fresh meat tastes best.

[MikenOH]

Originally Posted by Frank A

His is an early 05, No track days, 2nd owner, Bought at dealer with 30,000 miles.
He always had it serviced by the same dealer, they saw the car earlier for scheduled maintenance. He did talk to the service manager after incident about IMS but he got the Schultz response "I Know nothing , nothing" there is no IMS problem.

I guess Porsche has no concept of customer retention

Absolutely pathetic; this is the kind of stuff that can scare the crap out of potential buyers, but there always seem to be a steady supply of those that are undeterred by stories like this.

Jake--having the car fail with a tiptronic made me wonder if the typical driving style with the auto tranny--low revs, shifting early--lends itself to these kind of failures. Any logic to that?

[Jake Raby]

Jake--having the car fail with a tiptronic made me wonder if the typical driving style with the auto tranny--low revs, shifting early--lends itself to these kind of failures. Any logic to that?

Absolutely. With low engine speeds the IMS Bearing sees the highest loads due to low surface speeds.

[davedeck]

After reading about this IMS debacle for the past six months I'm wondering where is Porsche's liability in this? It's obviously a multi-year design defect. Shouldn't they owe up to the mistake like we require other carmanufacturers to do and recall the motor? Or did I just make a funny?

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by davedeck

After reading about this IMS debacle for the past six months I'm wondering where is Porsche's liability in this? It's obviously a multi-year design defect. Shouldn't they owe up to the mistake like we require other carmanufacturers to do and recall the motor? Or did I just make a funny?

You made a funny.................but not a particularly humorous one.

[davedeck]

And why is that? Nissan replaced the front tires on my 350Z because they set the alignment incorrectly at the factory. Why should Porsche get a bye for a very obvious design flaw that has spawned a whole cottage industry? Don't get me wrong, I love my car but I hate driving with the thought that my motor could go at anytime.

[tonycarreon]

Originally Posted by davedeck

And why is that?

simple.

"cost of the recalls or repair" > "cost of negative press or hit to reputation"

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by davedeck

And why is that? Nissan replaced the front tires on my 350Z because they set the alignment incorrectly at the factory. Why should Porsche get a bye for a very obvious design flaw that has spawned a whole cottage industry? Don't get me wrong, I love my car but I hate driving with the thought that my motor could go at anytime.

This is Porsche, not Nissan; in the nearly four decades I've been working on them, their answer to any problem is, "What problem?"

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by davedeck

And why is that? Nissan replaced the front tires on my 350Z because they set the alignment incorrectly at the factory. Why should Porsche get a bye for a very obvious design flaw that has spawned a whole cottage industry? Don't get me wrong, I love my car but I hate driving with the thought that my motor could go at anytime.

Honda did the same thing with the new NSX after having Yokohama redesign the tires.

Lexus on the other hand refuses to acknowledge the exact same issue with the 2006up IS. Factory alignment spec has too much front toe out. I had exposed steel belts on the inner edge & 6/32's across the rest of the tread. I have to have it aligned to my own specs.