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Did a moderator actually do something around here and moved this thread to the appropriate section?!?! OH MY GOD!!!
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I know crazy right lol :cheers:
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Yup, I'm with you on ALL of this. ALL OF IT. 100%. I live in a community which, while perhaps less than other places in the nation, is the hardest-hit in Utah, barring only the Navajo reservation. And still, even with the mandate (let alone before it) the mask usage is incredibly low. I shake my head. Now I am NOT one of those guys who's going to get on my high-horse and say these people are selfish (or worse), because I understand their mentality, I really do. I disagree with it, but I try to understand them, and I do. Where your comments stop abruptly, though, are whether or not you think "please" not cutting-it is justification for government over-reach. (If we define over-reach as anything not specifically enumerated in the US Const. or that of the individual states.) As I mentioned earlier; I don't necessarily know where I stand on some of this. I lean more libertarian than Republican in my own brand of conservatism, yet, when it comes right down to it, I care deeply for my neighbors and my community. Those are sometimes competing values, and additionally I don't have a ton of patience for Jack-A$$es who are purposely rude, or who hurt others "because they can". (No, I am NOT referring to those who don't wear masks. As I said; I understand their reasoning, and I do NOT think they are simply selfish or whatever other moniker others throw at them.) |
OK I'm not going to debate the Constitution on my favorite car forum. Nor will I call anyone names for choosing to wear or not wear a mask. Politically I think i'm pretty much in the middle. I'm not a gun owner but believe in gun rights. But then again i'm not a woman but believe in her right to choose. I sometimes think Cuomo is a communist, but besides the nursing homes he has done a pretty good job with the virus. NY was in bad bad shape early on. Now with most people on board with wearing the mask, the numbers have come way down. Maybe if we keep wearing them the numbers will stay low. Maybe they won't, time will tell.
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Since when did conservatives become such snowflakes that they need to be 'asked' to do something? Want us to say, "Pretty-please with sugar on top" too? Quote:
Secondly, how long would you sit by and watch your people repeatedly get cut down? There's a limit people can take. And people have reached that limit when a cop put his god damn knee on an unarmed man's neck for 8-1/2 minutes, staring into the camera while the other cops just stood by and watched until the man died. F Uck yeah I'm going to protest! This can't wait until the Coronavirus is over. He was just killed, the heat of the moment is now. There's emotion, there's anger, there's a need to make a change. Jesus died 2000 years ago, church can wait. Besides, when are protests ever 'appropriate'? It's always, "now is not the time" or "can't you find another way?" Can't kneel, can't march. Do you have any suggestions? I'll wait to hear them. |
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why doesn't this forum have a "LIKE" button? how 'bout simply "+1" |
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Lets go!!! But give me until at least 4A to launch. ;) |
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All in all, I don’t think that we (those of us still left in this discussion:D) are ALL that far apart on most of this stuff. Subtle differences in opinions can blossom into major disputes when one’s reasoning is publically called into question. It’s like one too many inside fastballs: usually they get shrugged off with a minor grumble, but sometimes they end up with pitcher/batter/catcher rolling in the dirt. I think we can probably succeed in staying out of the dirt. :cheers: |
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How about address the real point I made? Why is one okay and the other is not? Oh, and yes, by the way, leave your mask at home for the protest. The ONLY masks being worn at these are the people who are afraid they'll be recognized causing property damage when the video gets played back at 11. Remember the '60s, when people were ready to go to jail for their cause? Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk |
,..I will agree this Virus is unique, But you cant wear a mask forever to protect yourself from the winds of a virus mask may slow it down but it wont stop it,Heat was suppose to kill it,I live in Tucson, Az way past 100 Deg's A day for weeks and the numbers went up,I don't trust the numbers, or the way all this Virus protection has been conducted, I.E. Symptoms : headache,muscle soreness, coughing, temperature, fatigue, stiffness, I get all of that with the common Flu, I just don't trust the Government to tell me what's best when they don't even know,its that simple for me,The Obama/Biden ticket,sure didn't create a very quick recovery from the housing bubble crash,I think they or Obama seen that as a way to Fundamentally change America as he so elegantly stated ( the way he wants it's).Once he benefitted from America's success ,.Law school,then to government,.He didn't want the same for ALL American's or he would have done what Trump has done,..open up the economy and cut taxes, and the regulations that only hurt America,..Trump is no secret Genius,.any politician that wants a successful country would do exactly what he did,.Iam sure Bernie and Cortez will be wonderful for PA,.If you can drive your car on seaweed..or Sunlight have fun
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But I guess I wasn't clear: While I agreed with you that it's not safe, a tipping point was reached when the last straw was broken. At that point, protesting to demand change to stop repeated killings supersedes social distancing mandates. Even though the vast majority of us used masks. Church? Does holding mass really have the same urgency? Quote:
Under normal circumstances, I didn't have any masks to wear at protests. I'm not ashamed to be identified, as I nor the groups I've protested with didn't damage any property. But I've worn mine under Covid. :cheers: |
George Floyd,..this is most certainly a shameful thing on those police officer's( no matter who's neck it was),That justice should be between Mr.Floyd's family and that Police department, period..It's not just cause to ruin other's livelihood, and property, It just goes to show how people are being raised and educated to hate everything in this country because they weren't handed success or taught respect for other's,.. it's said, You get out of life what you put into it ,Protesting is a way to be heard,.to change thing's, you actually need to make an effort in the proper direction,..8 yrs of Obama/Biden why wasn't there change, they complain the most !! and do nothing because they like to create chaos, How's that for another Political statement !
Soap box now folded up and put away ! ( My apologies to anyone I may have offended ) |
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We only have to wear masks until a vaccine is discovered. Not forever. And yes, the mask will slow it down. That's mostly the point! Slowing it down means the hospitals won't get inundated with patients all at once. Geesh, man! We've already gone over this. Why is it so difficult for some people to get it!? |
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Political activism, 'community organizers', and most of the current 'journalists' are all about creating outrage and division. Strangely that's also what our geo-political adversaries want to do. Much of the 'Everybody must wear a mask' stuff that I saw on Facebook looked like it was actually designed to piss off a portion of the population.
Want to stick it to the man? Be kind, dont look for outrage, and enjoy driving you Porsche. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. |
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Whats the funny part..
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