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I remember a post several weeks/months ago where itsnotanova said he wanted the virus to get it over with because everyone is going to get it regardless. Apple news posted today virus is here to stay. Smallpox is only virus to be eradicated and it took 15 yrs. I think his prediction is correct. My question is are mask mandates here to stay? Kind of like buckle up, but motorcycle helmets optional?

Well as long as there is fear,There's a good chance of that,Or when people get FED up with being told what to do then they may decide to make their own decision's on how to protect themselves.This being TOLD routine has to go..!

During the summer time, I have been in the Netherlands, Austria and Czech Republic...
and I am shocked, how face masks are being neglected there nowadays. I can say, that we are way more strict here in Germany and it seems to be in our blood that we follow orders, I guess.
The primary objective is to protect OTHERS first, and then yourself. I wonder why people don't get that...just too selfish?
No vaccination = mask enforcement
just sayin'...

Some people have to be told because, quite frankly, they are too stupid to make the right decision. Common sense it seems is not so common. Freedom is the right to choose but making an obviously wrong choice, even after being told by experts that you are making a mistake, is a sign of ignorance and obstinance and infringes everyone’s freedom.

It all depends on how good the vaccine is and how long it lasts.

Agree. I think the 'freedom' argument is stupid. Civilization is giving up some individual freedom for the common good.
You do not have the 'freedom' to race thru a stop sign - well, actually you do, and you can be fined if caught, and the same should be true of not wearing a mask.
I love the goobers who argue that the odds are low that you'll die from the virus - the odds are in your favor playing Russian Roulette, too, but I don't see the point of taking the risk.
I damn near died 3 times from one-cell organisms ( amebic dysentery and blood poisoning in Vietnam, and more recently sepsis from a biopsy) and do not see the point of taking a risk.

I personally think mask just delay the inevitable. That being said, I also don't believe it's my right to give the virus to someone else unwillingly. Mask are here to stay until the virus has worked it's way through society. My prediction is there will be a cure for covid, but it will be too little and too late. Until then, buckle up because it will be a bumpy ride for the most obese country in the world.

The mask is NOT to protect YOU, it's to protect PEOPLE AROUND YOU from your spittle and vapors when you speak. So it's like smoking in a public space. You can't do it, but you can smoke in the privacy of your own home as much as you want.

So you still have the right to be as stupid and self-destructing as you want. But you don't have the right to endanger others.

Now seat belts? If you had a similar beef with seat belt laws I'd understand your gripe. As long as you made sure that kids, who have no understanding of the risks, are buckled up properly.

IIRC, itsnotanova wrote, "...I want to beat something that kills others..."

I think mask mandates will be gone once a good vaccine is discovered and implemented.

What can I say, I have a slight death wish. The older I get the less scared I get of dying

OP... topic better suited for off-topic forum.

On another note... wife and I took a drive to Big Bear Lake yesterday. Beautiful.

Walked the Village... went lakeside... and, GASP... no mask.

What's it going to be, fellas? A mask or the 6 feet? I choose the 6 feet (and did when we popped into Wal-Mart on the way home). If the fraidy cats are so concerned about the virus... flu... whatever... maybe just stay home. Use instacart.

Vacinnation? LOL. You're going to wait for that? I won't be the subject of any vaccination... and I won't be compelled.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the "news" hasn't covered jack-**************** about the usual and customary flu(s)? Or... is that a fall-winter story? And.. I mean "story".

Bring it on. :cool:

On another note... itsnotanova... I hear ya.

I have heard some very smart responses here, and frankly some that are just ignorant.

If you want to catch the virus go for it, but as mentioned wearing the mask is to protect the people around you! The comment maintain 6 feet in public thats not always possible to maintain distances WEAR A MASK you dont know who is around you that have higher risk factors diabetes heart conditions ect.... these people have a right to buy food and shop without having the added worry you mask less a-holes are to selfish to wear a face covering to help protect the public spread of COVID19.

I am in Spain and we have had last timeI checked around a 11 percent. Mortality rate. The mask help contain the spread period!

Be safe and protect your fellow human being!

Virus have been on the earth 3.2 billion years humans 200,000 years. The truth is we will have to live with it like every other virus that has come along the last 200,000 years.

How does any species build up their immune system and keep it working efficiently? Answer: exposing themselves to active threats and practicing personal care controls based on their experience with their own bodies. We are born with minimal immunity to things and as kids we expose ourselves to all sorts of things, which in turn strengthens our immune system to threats. We are social creatures for more than just one reason, were supposed to essentially contaminate each other so we can collectively gain a sort of social immunity to threats. It's nature and man should not get involved in how it works.

You got a pre-existing condition? Don't be a dumb a ss. Stay home. Have meemaw go do your shopping.


You're calling me an a sshole? F uck you, too. Oh, have a nice day.

Jesus Christ... What did I just read? Is this really an "it's my right" discussion? We have a WORLD WIDE PANDEMIC, and people want to ******************** and moan about wearing a god damned facemask? I'm embarrassed at how the US is handling the entire situation. I'm just dumbfounded by people who want to argue about the situation. Mind boggling. Folks want to argue about their 'rights' vs overloading the hospitals and medical community?

The older I get the more I realize why the world is tired of the US and all of our selfishness.

We will get what we deserve and deal with the consequences of those whose rights were infringed upon.

Sometimes we have to band together for the betterment of the entire community. For **************** sake.

You aren't being asked to pay your neighbors bills... Or feed his family. Do you throw your trash in the street? Do you still crap and pee in the yard? No. You use modern technology, central services, and a slight change in behaviour so that we reduce the spread of disease. Is wearing a mask when you go get McDonald's is really an inconvenience? People who argue that it's against their rights to be asked to wear a mask don't value the sacrifice given by others. The selfish and indignant nature of it all.

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Cunningr, you have an ELEVEN PERCENT MORTALITY RATE IN SPAIN!??

This is a FANTASTIC argument against the socialized Healthcare system that a segment of Americans think is such a great idea.

It's interesting that all of the "western" countries with universal health care have CFR's in double digits, but here's the demonized U.S. at 3.2. (By the way, this followed my own experiences with European Healthcare to a T)

Are masks the new norm? I dunno. I hope not. I hate wearing a mask and would rather stay home.... and frequently do. I DO wonder why masks haven't been mandated before now for things like H1N1, SARS, or even the common seasonal flu? Those all kill people too. TB has Much higher transmission rate than covid, and killed 1.5 MILLION people last year..... but no mask mandate. Sure; I get that the number in the U.S. is much lower than that (under 1k, as i recall) but globally we weren't hearing for masks on everyone.

I think the current "mask trend" is about SJW's. All of the people who are angry at those who don't wear masks and can them names and try to shame them: you're as much the problem in the world today as are those who aren't wearing masks because they resist being told what to do / wear / say.

Each of us will decide, just as we do with everything else in life, what our risk tolerance is. If where I draw that line is different from where YOU draw that line, do you really think it's helpful to call me names or tell me I don't care about others? You see you're buying right into the divisiveness that fractures the world right now. For every issue, we are forced to take a side, and a stand. Pitting neighbors against each other, dividing nations, neighborhoods and families.

How about instead; love your neighbor. Care fur each other. Make an effort to understand them, where they come from, why they feel the way they do? What life experience has led them to see things differently from you?

Personally I think that's what masks are about: yet one more effort to divide us. They aren't about health, or we'd be doing more than wearing a mask. They're about division. In the U.S. I expect to see them become MORE divisive after the election, regardless of who wins.

In the meantime: reasonable people will continue to act reasonably, so that we can keep working and keep paying into the system that so many are relying so heavily on right now.

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Thank God nobody asked you to wear any of those other masks, you'd really be put out.

Those masks protect the WEARER from damaging his lings/brain/mucus membranes.

The face mask people are being asked to wear is to keep your germs yours and my germs mine.

Ask not what your country can do for you... But what you can do for your country. Or... Something.

Amen to those words...

:cheers:

:ah:

Keyword: Asked. I wouldn't wear them under a mandate. **************** 'em. If it came to that I'd just send someone else to do m shopping.

Protect the wearer? Pfffffffft. I enjoy a healthy immune system... I'm willing to take the risk. The rest can stay home or, again, send someone else out to do their shopping.

Ummm, actually, yes, that is EXACTLY what I'm being asked to do. All of these "stimulus" checks; You know who's paying for that? Trillions of dollars (demanded by those who complain the loudest about the national debt) being paid by those of us who choose to keep working instead of taking the easy route.

But keep up your shaming of others.... see if it convinces anyone, or if it pushes those who are on the fence to the other side.

Talk about embarrassing behavior? Physician heal thyself.

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Don't get me wrong, I had no issue with what you wrote. I just wanted to make sure you were quoted correctly! :cheers:

I have not shamed or attacked anyone. I did share my disgust and bewilderment over the lack of general courtesy and empathy in America today. I did vent/share that I don't understand the polarizing nature of being asked to do something to help slow the spread of this pandemic. Many Americans have lost their ability to step-outside of their own ego to witness the ugly truth of what our nation has become. All in the name of 'their rights'. Those "rights" came from the sacrifice of others who gave more than they took.

It's pretty clear that you feel passionate about your right to wear a mask. Point made. You do you.

I realized a long time ago that there is no changing the mind of a person who isn't open to differing opinions. People who yell the loudest are the least likely accept differing opinions. I shared my views to hopefully give others something to consider. I usually try to do it without calling anyone names, being condescending, or resulting to ad-homonym attacks. Maybe I painted the comments with a broad brush out of frustration from being at home for 6 months. Sorry if that offended you.

We should maybe get back to arguing about the best oil, or brake pads, or tires.

Funny how for 8 years of Obama and 8 years of Clinton (who actually lowered the rate of increase during each of their terms), those same people that complained about the national debt, said that debt is good as GW Bush and Rump more than doubled its rate of increase on tax cuts for those that needed them least.

But we digress...

You are mandated, not asked, to have a license and insurance to drive your Box. That's much more imposing than wearing a damn mask in public. How come that's not keeping you off the road?

+1 it's simply a matter of respect

Where did you get your numbers of 3.2% mortality rate? The CDC site has week 30 at 12.6% and 7.8% in week 31, but expect that to go up since not all death certificates have been processed.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The better question is the per-capita deaths in the US vs. Europe and other Universal health care countries.

Oh. I'll wear the mask if I'm going into a store... but do leave my nose exposed now and then.

Here's another deal maybe someone can explain:

If you've a hearing problem (a medical condition) you are exempt. Now... I do have a hearing problem (diagnosed in third grade), but chalk up the true nature to too many concerts in my teens and my kick-butt sound system (home and car). Now... does not wearing a mask cause me to hear better? Uh. No. Anyone care to explain that. I will say that, as a lip reader, more often then not I'm, "Huh? What" I'm sorry, come again".

This morning went to get gas. Forgot my mask (8/10 I go inside) and the regular attendant was fine with it. Went to Tractor Supply afterwards... pull my shirt up.. notice clerk has her mask around her neck (they just opened, 9). Grabbed the dog food and, maskless and no shirt covering my face, conducted my transaction.

I'm almost borderline shamed because, when in a store, if I sneeze or sniffle I feel like I'm wearing a scarlett ****************ing letter on my forehead.

Herd immunity. Thats the road I drive.

Have a good Sunday, Fellas and Gals! :cheers:

No, you're right. I went back and reread your posts. I'd be hard-pressed to kick you in the nuts over anything you said. Sure, I disagree with some of it, but that's sorta the point.

I guess i, too, am susceptible to the divisive nature of nearly everything today. I mean, there ARE posts in this thread, calling people names for not masking, and it sets me off. Not because I don't want to wear a mask, but because those people you describe, who gave so much for our freedom, deserve the rest of us reminding others what freedom looks like.

Dissension is not a bad thing, neither is disagreement. But the shaming culture and all the SJW crap is just disgusting, to me.

My apologies for projecting onto you the general malaise I feel about this thread, haha. And thanks for calling me out on it. ;-)

:peace:

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Lil 'ol place called John's Hopkins.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

You can make stats say anything you want, but CFR is the only number that means anything to me. Those of you using IFR numbers are just forwarding an agenda.

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I presume CFR means Case Fatality Rate? What does IFR stand for?

I don't know if the CDC would have any agenda, though. I welcome your thoughts as to why they're stating death rates of 12.6 and 7.8

Even using your own source and the chart you linked, Chile, India, Argentina, South Africa, Russia, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan all have better CFR than we do. And the chart is of the 20 worst countries. In other words, we have the 12th highest CFR of the 20 worst countries in the world. We barely beat Columbia! Yay for us! Tired of winning yet?

Don't blame me, I'm citing your own source!

So all of those "Socialist Healthcare" countries, you derided? Most did better than us. Remember how hard Italy was hit? They're not even on the list so they also did better than us, and they also have "socialist healthcare".

Problem is that herd immunity doesn't seem to work with this virus. Based on current knowledge. In fact, even if you've had it before they say you can get it again, and harder. But we're still learning.

Your signature... "It can't happen here". Reminds me of a GREAT Rainbow tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARgfglpXQw

No. It's not Rick Astley. lol

I never called anyone any names

OK edumicate me on your acronyms, please. What does SJW mean?

Social Justice Warrior

All the Karens/Kens who stand on their Social Media platforms seeing justice for the oppression bro g foisted upon them.

Wow that's a deep cut! Thanks for sharing. :cheers:

My signature actually refers to the 1935 novel by Sinclair Lewis.

Thank you, but I thought a Karen is the opposite of a Social Justice Warrior. For example, the woman in the park who was on video saying she'll call the police and tell them she's being assaulted by a black man was called a Karen. A SJW would not do that.

I didn't say I am an advocate of socialized medicine, but on the argument for everyone gets hospital care. Personally I think the USA needs some type of a hybrid system for health care.

Just to clarify I am a US citizen, and a 22.5 year veteran spent and still spending my life defending your freedom to choose but that freedom ends when it affects other people.

The idea of wearing mask is to protect your neighbor.

Several months back I calculated the deaths rates states between Spain and the US, us was around 5 percent.
Still does not relieve anyone the need to be responsible.

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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symptoms of the virus....delusions of conspiracies and bad behavior.
But in all honesty...we are getting vaccines next year...so end of next year corona is done.

So lets enjoy our face masks till then in crowded and public areas.

This wins everything. Buy the man a beer.