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I have no problem with anyones opinion, but the choice to wear a mask or not affects other people to the point that if you infect someone and kill them because you chose not to wear a mask to keep germs to yourself and they die how would you feel? The issue with this virus it affects everyone differently. I will get down off the soap box now! |
Don't forget That the virus can now affect you thru your eye's according to Dr. Fauci,
So..Now What ,.soon it will be thru your ears,.I wear a mask as required by my employer and if a store require's it and I WANT to go to that store then I do,..I don't endanger anyone,.My comment is a make your own choice statement,.I think if ( God forbid) Joe Biden wins then the virus will be over,.However they could then stay on course to Socialism because people do as they are told,I believe a politician said the problem with democracy is everybody has a voice. |
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That you think my comment was belittling to veterans proves you're doing EXACTLY what I was suggesting you were doing: assuming your military service is more valuable than others'. Any idea how many veterans we've got on this forum? Me either, but I know it's more than just you and me, and I know they / we all have different opinions about things. Your military service and sacrifice is appreciated.... as is that of the others, who disagree with you on this topic. Read my comment again. ;-) Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk |
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Now to condense my posts, I'll do a 2-fer one and reply to flmont. But first let it be known that I was not the one who started the political side of this discussion. flmont. First, where have you been? Dr. Fauci has ALWAYS said you can get it through your eyes. That is by having contaminated hands and touching your eyes, in addition to nose and mouth. If someone's spittle or vapor enters your eyes, you can also contract the disease. That's all the more reason that masks are for the protection of others, not yourself. So I wear a mask to protect YOU, and you wear a mask to protect ME. See how it works? ;) Second, you said 'God forbid' Biden gets elected and went on some rant about socialism. We've had an Obama/Biden administration for 8 years and they pulled us out of the jaws of a 2nd great depression. I doubt you can claim with a straight face that we fell into the depths of socialism then. But even if your worst suspicion is true that Biden is somehow a closet socialist, I'd rather have socialism than the narcissistic fascist wannabe authoritarian jackass we have now. And if you want, I can go point by point to prove every adjective I used to describe him is true. But you already know that. You're not dumb. |
The USA is 4% of the world's population. The USA's death rate represents +/- 20% of the ROW's deaths. Even if that number is over stated by 50%, we still have too high of a mortality rate comparatively. We (USA) are clearly doing something wrong.
I have a co-worker who has been in/out of the hospital twice since early March. Another got sick and took it home to his wife, kid's and in-laws. Fortunately, nobody I know has died from this yet. Wearing an N95 mask is required for me at work. I also wear one in public when I'm not at work. It's simple, easy and I don't want to be the cause of somebody else's illness. The notion that it impinges on 'my rights' is nonsensical and selfish. A lot of us have elderly parents (mom is 83) I would gladly wear a mask to protect her and or your parents. I hear people complaining about the 'sacrifices' they are being forced to make. Ask somebody who lived thru WWII about sacrifices, i.e. 'ration coupons/stamps', etc. Imagine only being allowed to buy one set of tires for your car each year? I don't care what flavor Kool-aid you drink, you can still wear a mask and vote for Donald. |
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I am not posting my opinion about mask it’s a proven fact that wearing a mask helps contain the spread of the virus. |
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Now... that's heavy. I haven't read a novel in decades. Decades. That's one title that might cause me to break that record. Thanks!! :cheers: |
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Seriously I never claimed to be a mask expert. However, the fact that the spread of the virus is reduced when measures such as social distancing, hand washing, and Wearing Face Coverings has been published for non-expert consumption. I watched the news here showing bodies of dead so numerous they had to open refrigerated storage in the Ice Arenas and other large cold storage facilities to hold the bodies. That was because the morgs were saturated. So I do feel any measure that may help keep this virus slowed down is a good thing. |
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Secondly, not sure what your point is with that image? That the surgical type masks that people are generally wearing these days (those who choose to wear them, that is) are not up to the task? Well, granting that we still have a ways to go in our knowledge on this particular virus, the consensus among medical people, those who have a significantly better understanding of these things than most of us will ever hope to, is that they are in fact effective and helpful. I’ve got an old friend, have known since the ‘70s, medical doctor, infectious disease guy. A Professor Emeritus (Medicine: Infectious Disease and International Health), he has spent 40 years as a medical scholar, investigator and instructor, teaching infectious disease, medicine and neurosurgery at University of Virginia. The guy’s contributed to hundreds of peer-reviewed articles, edited over a dozen books and has served on editorial boards of several medical journals. The man’s long since established his credentials in my book, and he is a colleague/friend of Dr Fauci, and a follower of his recommendations with regard to fighting this pandemic. When he’s out and about? He wears a mask. That’s all the persuasion I need. |
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I am in Canada- Canadians tend to be more compliant and believe that the government is actually looking out for their safety and best interest instead of infringing on their rights. For example; most Canadians are thankful of our tough gun laws which mean that we don't actually have to carry a weapon to protect ourselves. We, for the most part, have also been very accepting of COVID restrictions and the need to wear a mask. I realize that there are many factors regarding spread and death rate of COVID but I am proud of how well Canada has handled the pandemic. We have not politicized COVID, we have excellent healthcare available to everyone at no cost and most people are happy to wear a mask. As a result our death rate (as of August 10) is .13 per million whereas the US is tracking 1.55 deaths per million. |
If people are not going to wear a mask, then they probably won't get the vaccine either. They don't seem to think that the virus is a real threat, it's just a made up thing to further a political agenda. Or they will say the Bill Gates is just trying to implant a tracking chip in them. Of course unless you live in the woods somewhere you are being tracked almost constantly anyway. Let's see Cell phone, Credit/debit card use, EZpass, license plate readers, internet ip, cameras in nearly every place of business the list goes on and on. But it's my right not to wear a mask blah blah blah. Maybe there is something about the right not to wear a mask during a pandemic in the constitution, but I must of missed it.
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I think Starter made an important point when he said he'd like to be asked, not required (I'm paraphrasing). I think this is a common theme amongst conservatives regarding many, many issues: You (the gov't) don't have the right to compel me, so just ask us nicely. This is, for instance, how I feel about taxation for social programs, and many other governmental "programs" which may have best-interests at heart, but seek to compel where there is no precedent or constitutional basis for that power being given to gov't. Having said that, While I bristle at the unconstitutionality of all that's being foisted upon us right now, I try not to let the leaves block the view of the forest. I still give to charity, and I still wear a facemask when and where I'm asked to do so. I have a BIGGER problem with the seeming-incongruity behind supporting Protests and protesters (even though they are rarely masked and are NEVER social-distancing) while simultaneously shutting-down religious gatherings, schools, in-person voting and an entire host of other activities which could certainly be done with a modicum of safety that far exceeds what is being exercised during a protest / statue vandalizing session. I don't make decisions based on the "slippery-slope" idea, but you must admit that there is merit to it. You see, while Covid is certainly real and scary, it HAS most-certainly been politicized, and is being used to influence behavior. To what end? Well, I have my own opinions about that; What are YOURS? |
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"The downward trend stopped in 2013 and, since then, it has gone up 42%. Between 2013 and 2017, 16 of Canada's Census metropolitan areas saw increases in their rate of firearm-related violent crime, including 7 of the 10 largest. ... Each year since 2009, about six in ten firearm-related violent crimes involved handguns." Enough with the b ull****************. Criminals don't care about laws. "Criminal" The word was coined for a reason. Maybe this needs a new thread. |
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But anyway, I think the courts have been pretty consistent that you have the rights enumerated in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but that those rights can have reasonable limits. (The most consistently quoted: One cannot, based on the 1st Amendment right to free speech, shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater…not that those exist anymore :rolleyes:). And I think the courts have, by and large, allowed states to be guilty of mild infringement on the individual’s rights under the Constitution where there is a clear and rational basis for such infringement (eg, in this case, the protection of public health) AND where that ‘infringement’ is narrowly drawn so as to minimize, as far as possible, the effect on one’s liberties. Probably requiring masks to be worn in public in the midst of a worldwide pandemic would fall into that category. As far as your preference that we be “asked” to wear masks, as opposed to it being mandated, I understand the sentiment. I do. However to that I feel the need to add this: For months, Gov DeWine has been recommending folks maintain social distancing and wear masks when indoors, or outdoors where social distancing cannot be achieved. He’s done it til he was blue in the face. It was not until the bad numbers started going back up in Ohio that he finally said (paraphrasing…Gov Mike was much more diplomatic), “Enough! Now it’s mandated!” I don’t have any statistics at my fingertips, but I will offer this admittedly unscientific (though somewhat telling, in my book) observation: A few weeks ago, pre-mandate, I was in Home Depot one afternoon at a time when it was pretty darned crowded. In spite of the Gov’s gentle coaxing, week after week, that people should please wear masks indoors when in public, fully HALF of the people there were without masks. I was back in the same HD this afternoon with, by rough estimate, about the same number of folks in the aisles. Out of curiosity I decided to take note: Out of many dozens of people that I saw, there was this many without a mask on: One. Sometimes “Please” just doesn’t cut it.. |
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