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I have not shamed or attacked anyone. I did share my disgust and bewilderment over the lack of general courtesy and empathy in America today. I did vent/share that I don't understand the polarizing nature of being asked to do something to help slow the spread of this pandemic. Many Americans have lost their ability to step-outside of their own ego to witness the ugly truth of what our nation has become. All in the name of 'their rights'. Those "rights" came from the sacrifice of others who gave more than they took.
It's pretty clear that you feel passionate about your right to wear a mask. Point made. You do you. I realized a long time ago that there is no changing the mind of a person who isn't open to differing opinions. People who yell the loudest are the least likely accept differing opinions. I shared my views to hopefully give others something to consider. I usually try to do it without calling anyone names, being condescending, or resulting to ad-homonym attacks. Maybe I painted the comments with a broad brush out of frustration from being at home for 6 months. Sorry if that offended you. We should maybe get back to arguing about the best oil, or brake pads, or tires. |
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But we digress... |
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html The better question is the per-capita deaths in the US vs. Europe and other Universal health care countries. |
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Here's another deal maybe someone can explain: If you've a hearing problem (a medical condition) you are exempt. Now... I do have a hearing problem (diagnosed in third grade), but chalk up the true nature to too many concerts in my teens and my kick-butt sound system (home and car). Now... does not wearing a mask cause me to hear better? Uh. No. Anyone care to explain that. I will say that, as a lip reader, more often then not I'm, "Huh? What" I'm sorry, come again". This morning went to get gas. Forgot my mask (8/10 I go inside) and the regular attendant was fine with it. Went to Tractor Supply afterwards... pull my shirt up.. notice clerk has her mask around her neck (they just opened, 9). Grabbed the dog food and, maskless and no shirt covering my face, conducted my transaction. I'm almost borderline shamed because, when in a store, if I sneeze or sniffle I feel like I'm wearing a scarlett ****************ing letter on my forehead. Herd immunity. Thats the road I drive. Have a good Sunday, Fellas and Gals! :cheers: |
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I guess i, too, am susceptible to the divisive nature of nearly everything today. I mean, there ARE posts in this thread, calling people names for not masking, and it sets me off. Not because I don't want to wear a mask, but because those people you describe, who gave so much for our freedom, deserve the rest of us reminding others what freedom looks like. Dissension is not a bad thing, neither is disagreement. But the shaming culture and all the SJW crap is just disgusting, to me. My apologies for projecting onto you the general malaise I feel about this thread, haha. And thanks for calling me out on it. ;-) :peace: Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk |
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https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality You can make stats say anything you want, but CFR is the only number that means anything to me. Those of you using IFR numbers are just forwarding an agenda. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk |
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I don't know if the CDC would have any agenda, though. I welcome your thoughts as to why they're stating death rates of 12.6 and 7.8 Even using your own source and the chart you linked, Chile, India, Argentina, South Africa, Russia, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan all have better CFR than we do. And the chart is of the 20 worst countries. In other words, we have the 12th highest CFR of the 20 worst countries in the world. We barely beat Columbia! Yay for us! Tired of winning yet? Don't blame me, I'm citing your own source! So all of those "Socialist Healthcare" countries, you derided? Most did better than us. Remember how hard Italy was hit? They're not even on the list so they also did better than us, and they also have "socialist healthcare". |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARgfglpXQw No. It's not Rick Astley. lol |
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All the Karens/Kens who stand on their Social Media platforms seeing justice for the oppression bro g foisted upon them. |
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My signature actually refers to the 1935 novel by Sinclair Lewis. |
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Just to clarify I am a US citizen, and a 22.5 year veteran spent and still spending my life defending your freedom to choose but that freedom ends when it affects other people. The idea of wearing mask is to protect your neighbor. Several months back I calculated the deaths rates states between Spain and the US, us was around 5 percent. Still does not relieve anyone the need to be responsible. |
I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.
Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics. Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular. In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them). And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT. Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some. I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small. So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now: -I'm wrong about everything. -Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends. -TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint. -starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery. -piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios. If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable) Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk |
symptoms of the virus....delusions of conspiracies and bad behavior.
But in all honesty...we are getting vaccines next year...so end of next year corona is done. So lets enjoy our face masks till then in crowded and public areas. |
This wins everything. Buy the man a beer.
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