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[maytag]

Originally Posted by TRP

I have not shamed or attacked anyone. I did share my disgust and bewilderment over the lack of general courtesy and empathy in America today. I did vent/share that I don't understand the polarizing nature of being asked to do something to help slow the spread of this pandemic. Many Americans have lost their ability to step-outside of their own ego to witness the ugly truth of what our nation has become. All in the name of 'their rights'. Those "rights" came from the sacrifice of others who gave more than they took.

It's pretty clear that you feel passionate about your right to wear a mask. Point made. You do you.

I realized a long time ago that there is no changing the mind of a person who isn't open to differing opinions. People who yell the loudest are the least likely accept differing opinions. I shared my views to hopefully give others something to consider. I usually try to do it without calling anyone names, being condescending, or resulting to ad-homonym attacks. Maybe I painted the comments with a broad brush out of frustration from being at home for 6 months. Sorry if that offended you.

We should maybe get back to arguing about the best oil, or brake pads, or tires.

No, you're right. I went back and reread your posts. I'd be hard-pressed to kick you in the nuts over anything you said. Sure, I disagree with some of it, but that's sorta the point.

I guess i, too, am susceptible to the divisive nature of nearly everything today. I mean, there ARE posts in this thread, calling people names for not masking, and it sets me off. Not because I don't want to wear a mask, but because those people you describe, who gave so much for our freedom, deserve the rest of us reminding others what freedom looks like.

Dissension is not a bad thing, neither is disagreement. But the shaming culture and all the SJW crap is just disgusting, to me.

My apologies for projecting onto you the general malaise I feel about this thread, haha. And thanks for calling me out on it. ;-)

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

... there ARE posts in this thread, calling people names for not masking, and it sets me off. ...

I never called anyone any names

Originally Posted by maytag

...
Dissension is not a bad thing, neither is disagreement. But the shaming culture and all the SJW crap is just disgusting, to me...

OK edumicate me on your acronyms, please. What does SJW mean?

[TRP]

Social Justice Warrior

All the Karens/Kens who stand on their Social Media platforms seeing justice for the oppression bro g foisted upon them.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by TRP

Social Justice Warrior

All the Karens/Kens who stand on their Social Media platforms seeing justice for the oppression bro g foisted upon them.

Thank you, but I thought a Karen is the opposite of a Social Justice Warrior. For example, the woman in the park who was on video saying she'll call the police and tell them she's being assaulted by a black man was called a Karen. A SJW would not do that.

[maytag]

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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[L8-apex]

This wins everything. Buy the man a beer.

Originally Posted by maytag

I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by maytag

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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Please don’t be little veterans, I did not add that to try to add weight to my opinion. I am proud to have spent my life serving in the military.

I have no problem with anyones opinion, but the choice to wear a mask or not affects other people to the point that if you infect someone and kill them because you chose not to wear a mask to keep germs to yourself and they die how would you feel? The issue with this virus it affects everyone differently.

I will get down off the soap box now!

[flmont]

Don't forget That the virus can now affect you thru your eye's according to Dr. Fauci,
So..Now What ,.soon it will be thru your ears,.I wear a mask as required by my employer and if a store require's it and I WANT to go to that store then I do,..I don't endanger anyone,.My comment is a make your own choice statement,.I think if ( God forbid) Joe Biden wins then the virus will be over,.However they could then stay on course to Socialism because people do as they are told,I believe a politician said the problem with democracy is everybody has a voice.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

Please don’t be little veterans, I did not add that to try to add weight to my opinion. I am proud to have spent my life serving in the military.



I have no problem with anyones opinion, but the choice to wear a mask or not affects other people to the point that if you infect someone and kill them because you chose not to wear a mask to keep germs to yourself and they die how would you feel? The issue with this virus it affects everyone differently.



I will get down off the soap box now!

I sent this as a pm, but decided I'd better stick it here.

That you think my comment was belittling to veterans proves you're doing EXACTLY what I was suggesting you were doing: assuming your military service is more valuable than others'.

Any idea how many veterans we've got on this forum? Me either, but I know it's more than just you and me, and I know they / we all have different opinions about things. Your military service and sacrifice is appreciated.... as is that of the others, who disagree with you on this topic.

Read my comment again. ;-)

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[rexcramer]

The USA is 4% of the world's population. The USA's death rate represents +/- 20% of the ROW's deaths. Even if that number is over stated by 50%, we still have too high of a mortality rate comparatively. We (USA) are clearly doing something wrong.

I have a co-worker who has been in/out of the hospital twice since early March. Another got sick and took it home to his wife, kid's and in-laws. Fortunately, nobody I know has died from this yet. Wearing an N95 mask is required for me at work. I also wear one in public when I'm not at work. It's simple, easy and I don't want to be the cause of somebody else's illness. The notion that it impinges on 'my rights' is nonsensical and selfish. A lot of us have elderly parents (mom is 83) I would gladly wear a mask to protect her and or your parents.

I hear people complaining about the 'sacrifices' they are being forced to make. Ask somebody who lived thru WWII about sacrifices, i.e. 'ration coupons/stamps', etc. Imagine only being allowed to buy one set of tires for your car each year?

I don't care what flavor Kool-aid you drink, you can still wear a mask and vote for Donald.

[2ata]

Originally Posted by rexcramer

The USA is 4% of the world's population. The USA's death rate represents +/- 20% of the ROW's deaths. Even if that number is over stated by 50%, we still have too high of a mortality rate comparatively. We (USA) are clearly doing something wrong.

I have a co-worker who has been in/out of the hospital twice since early March. Another got sick and took it home to his wife, kid's and in-laws. Fortunately, nobody I know has died from this yet. Wearing an N95 mask is required for me at work. I also wear one in public when I'm not at work. It's simple, easy and I don't want to be the cause of somebody else's illness. The notion that it impinges on 'my rights' is nonsensical and selfish. A lot of us have elderly parents (mom is 83) I would gladly wear a mask to protect her and or your parents.

I hear people complaining about the 'sacrifices' they are being forced to make. Ask somebody who lived thru WWII about sacrifices, i.e. 'ration coupons/stamps', etc. Imagine only being allowed to buy one set of tires for your car each year?

I don't care what flavor Kool-aid you drink, you can still wear a mask and vote for Donald.

Fat population with high rate of co-morbidities.........

[Cunningr]

Originally Posted by maytag

I sent this as a pm, but decided I'd better stick it here.

That you think my comment was belittling to veterans proves you're doing EXACTLY what I was suggesting you were doing: assuming your military service is more valuable than others'.

Any idea how many veterans we've got on this forum? Me either, but I know it's more than just you and me, and I know they / we all have different opinions about things. Your military service and sacrifice is appreciated.... as is that of the others, who disagree with you on this topic.

Read my comment again. ;-)

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I replied via pm but Public notice I wasn’t saying my Service has more importance than anyone else just background on my self.

I am not posting my opinion about mask it’s a proven fact that wearing a mask helps contain the spread of the virus.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

I am not posting my opinion about mask it’s a proven fact that wearing a mask helps contain the spread of the virus.

With all due rspect for your service to our country... you're not a mask expert.

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[flmont]

,..I will agree this Virus is unique, But you cant wear a mask forever to protect yourself from the winds of a virus mask may slow it down but it wont stop it,Heat was suppose to kill it,I live in Tucson, Az way past 100 Deg's A day for weeks and the numbers went up,I don't trust the numbers, or the way all this Virus protection has been conducted, I.E. Symptoms : headache,muscle soreness, coughing, temperature, fatigue, stiffness, I get all of that with the common Flu, I just don't trust the Government to tell me what's best when they don't even know,its that simple for me,The Obama/Biden ticket,sure didn't create a very quick recovery from the housing bubble crash,I think they or Obama seen that as a way to Fundamentally change America as he so elegantly stated ( the way he wants it's).Once he benefitted from America's success ,.Law school,then to government,.He didn't want the same for ALL American's or he would have done what Trump has done,..open up the economy and cut taxes, and the regulations that only hurt America,..Trump is no secret Genius,.any politician that wants a successful country would do exactly what he did,.Iam sure Bernie and Cortez will be wonderful for PA,.If you can drive your car on seaweed..or Sunlight have fun

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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Ha ha, Maytag! I wish I was closer to Utah so I could buy you a beverage of your choice! Jim Carey? I love it! Thank you, I'll take it as a complement. Yes, I posted a lot, but it's to respond to each individual comment. I joined roughly 1.5 years ago, you joined 2.5 years ago yet I have about 1/2 the total posts you do. So I'm actually lagging behind your post rate! And I noticed, by the way, you didn't dispute my reply to you. No, you're not wrong about everything. Just 90, maybe 95% tops! J/K! Seriously, I have great respect for you, bud. Please don't stop trying to spread kumbaya!

Now to condense my posts, I'll do a 2-fer one and reply to flmont.

But first let it be known that I was not the one who started the political side of this discussion.

flmont. First, where have you been? Dr. Fauci has ALWAYS said you can get it through your eyes. That is by having contaminated hands and touching your eyes, in addition to nose and mouth. If someone's spittle or vapor enters your eyes, you can also contract the disease. That's all the more reason that masks are for the protection of others, not yourself. So I wear a mask to protect YOU, and you wear a mask to protect ME. See how it works?

Second, you said 'God forbid' Biden gets elected and went on some rant about socialism. We've had an Obama/Biden administration for 8 years and they pulled us out of the jaws of a 2nd great depression. I doubt you can claim with a straight face that we fell into the depths of socialism then. But even if your worst suspicion is true that Biden is somehow a closet socialist, I'd rather have socialism than the narcissistic fascist wannabe authoritarian jackass we have now. And if you want, I can go point by point to prove every adjective I used to describe him is true. But you already know that. You're not dumb.

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by maytag

I don't know why I engage in these topics. Inevitably, we end up in the same place.

Lobbing verbal, hyperbole "grenades" at each other will never change someone's mind. It's like we're hoping somebody is keeping score of all the "internet-forum-wins", and that the winner will then be awarded an ACTUAL win in global politics.

Hopefully we FINALLY get to the point in these engagements where we get to the roots (as opposed to the leaves) and then we go for the jugular.

In this case, that "root" is what does it mean to be free, and where does that freedom end? I always love it when somebody jumps on and says that their opinion is more valid (or they simply state it as if it's fact) because their own military service is somehow more meaningful or important, or their sacrifice more valuable than any others (especially those others who disagree with them).

And then piper jumps in and does his best jim-carey-of-the-internet impersonation, killing us all with his sheer POST COUNT.

Then there's me: dive- bombing from 40k' to spread a little kumbaya..... until I see something that pisses me off personally and I get into the weeds as bad as any, and worse than some.

I need to just avoid these threads altogether. I'd rather be friends with all y'all, regardless of differences great or small.

So to remove any need for me to come back here, I'll just do this now:

-I'm wrong about everything.
-Cunnigula is right about freedom and where it ends.
-TSR should be a moderator because he shows common sense and restraint.
-starter is exempt from wearing a mask 'cuz he's ornery.
-piper wins the internet by sheer "China- invades- the Vatican" post ratios.

If i missed anyone, it's cuz you've been far too conservative in voicing your opinion (in other words, in at least this thread: you're forgettable)


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What a guy!!

[BRAN]

symptoms of the virus....delusions of conspiracies and bad behavior.
But in all honesty...we are getting vaccines next year...so end of next year corona is done.

So lets enjoy our face masks till then in crowded and public areas.

[78F350]

Political activism, 'community organizers', and most of the current 'journalists' are all about creating outrage and division. Strangely that's also what our geo-political adversaries want to do. Much of the 'Everybody must wear a mask' stuff that I saw on Facebook looked like it was actually designed to piss off a portion of the population.
Want to stick it to the man? Be kind, dont look for outrage, and enjoy driving you Porsche.

Wash your hands. Don't touch your face.

[piper6909]

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[flmont]

Whats the funny part..